reply to post by schrodingers dog
Now come on SD, you know I have thicker skin than that!!!
But I also know that you are not familiar with each individual case of every individual detainee.
I don't need to be, nor would I care to be..
To take such a general and simplistic stance
I don't see it as general or simplistic..
Question: Are there innocent people in U.S. Jails right this minute?
Sad but true fact of life.. But what we can't do is release every prisoner in the U.S. just because we know some small percentage is innocent..Do you
think the American Public would stand behind that?
The equivalent of what this Admin is doing at Gitmo
I can't imagine that to acknowledge the above paragraphed statement is an automatic betrayal to your comrades
It would not of course.. That is not the essence of what I meant..
I said I trusted them. But I am also aware that they are human and can make mistakes. I would not however free all of the enemy combatants on the
knowledge that some small percentage is innocent. No more than I would release every prisoner at Sussex Correction Institute in Delaware or Walla
Walla in Washington.
If you are comfortable enforcing the law knowing that just because you arrested someone it doesn't make them guilty
OK, let's make sure we have this straight...
If I arrest them, I know FOR A FACT that they are guilty or I would not, will not arrest them. In the eyes of the Legal System, they are innocent
until proven guilty; that is our system. But I KNOW they are guilty. It is a different thought process I know, but it is essential for the proper
enforcement of law..
And honestly the semantic manipulation between POW and enemy combatants
Wasn't aware there was any manipulation. A POW is an Enemy Combatant.. At least in the cases at Gitmo..
understandable dogmatic defense of all things military
Not completely true.. I am proud that I am a Marine, but being a Marine I know the inherent flaws in the system. I do not think I am an ignorant man,
nor am I gullible or brainwashed. As you are aware from our other conversations, I was not a typical Marine. But being aware of problems in the system
and desiring to remove the system and free the "Foxes into the Hen House" is stupidity to the extreme.
isn't what this country was founded on.
You are correct. This Country was founded on good strong conservative, Christian principles; things sadly lacking now.
Also consider what the Founding Fathers would have done with these people.
They would have long ago been either executed or banished..
It is almost as if the worst thing that could come from the trial process is that some might be found innocent because they are, and in the
process embarrass those whom you consider above reproach.
I never said there should not be a MILITARY TRIBUNAL.. Not a trial. Let the military deal with this, that is what the JAG Corps is for..
Things don't always move swiftly in the military, and I really don't care. They can wait..
Do you really believe that if some Liberal Court rules any of them innocent, it will change my mind? Most of the Liberal Courts, especially the Courts
of Appeal, don't care about the truth, just the latest PC of the day..
The truth is what it is and it should never be feared.
See that is what really is lacking, but not in the manner you are implying..
The Liberal Media's policy of calling the naked pictures taken as torture.. That is a subjugation of the truth. Morally reprehensible, yes, but not
Water Boarding is NOT torture.. Sure the Liberals bleeding hearts all tell them it is. Where is the compassion for the soldiers that were killed?
Where is the compassion for the victims of these prisoners?
See SD, that is where my compassion and concern is; with the victims of these creatures.
Also let me say one thing more.
Back a few years when the military did not have to worry so much about the Libs and the MSM that caters to every left wing bleeding heart, we did some
There were no embedded reporters in Lebanon. There were none in Panama.
We did what was necessary to make sure the might of the United States Military was respected or feared...
I used to have a policy when I worked the projects. The criminals there either respected me, or feared me. I did not care which. I worked hard to earn
respect on the street. After many concussions and a stab wound or two, I had the respect of most, but the others? As long as they feared me, I was
Same thing applies to the military, and should.
The Liberal influx of Socialist Ideals is relatively new. Think back on what made this country great. Socialism? OH HELL NO...
What do you think happened in WWI? WWII? Korea? Do you think we pussy-footed around like we are doing now?
We got to be the mightiest country this world has ever seen, powerful, strong and either respected or feared, by doing what was necessary at the time.
With Conservative values and at times, a ruthless tendency towards action. Now all of a sudden the Left wants to change us, to make us more friendly.
So that the rest of the world likes us.. WHO CARES!!! I sure don't... I would much rather they feared us...
Remember how quickly the hostages were freed when Reagan was elected? Wonder why? I could tell you, but that is for another thread...