Naked Wizard Tasered at Coachella

reply to post by masonwatcher


while this is true,I think we would all be in amazement if infact a man had to put his junk in a wheel barrow to walk around..

I for one would have scoffed at the guy,I have been to many a OzzFest where getting head jobs in the feild are the norm..I just laugh at them,it does take balls to do that but if someone did find offence to it for what ever reason,i certainly wouldnt detract their rights to feel that way..




[edit on 26-4-2009 by Redpillblues]

Originally posted by Redpillblues
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

while this is true,I think we would all be in amazement if infact a man had to put his junk in a wheel barrow to walk around..

I for one would have scoffed at the guy,I have been to many a OzzFest where getting head jobs in the feild are the norm..I just laugh at them,it does take balls to do that but if someone did find offence to it for what ever reason,i certainly wouldnt detract their rights to feel that way..




[edit on 26-4-2009 by Redpillblues]

Without getting into moral territory, there's a legal difference between public nudity and public nudity involving sexual gratification, which would most likely fall under the category of lewd and lascivious behavior.

both illegal...might I add..Just because you may condone public nudity dosent make it any more legal than a sexual act..In both cases people have the choice to either turn a blind eye to it or call the cops..if you do not agree with that well to me your just as bad as the people who want to take away our constitution..

what does this picture mean when you put some thought into it?
www.kuemin-law.ch...



[edit on 26-4-2009 by Redpillblues]

[edit on 26-4-2009 by Redpillblues]

Originally posted by Redpillblues
both illegal...might I add..Just because you may condone public nudity dosent make it any more legal than a sexual act...

And just because something is "against the law" doesn't make it "wrong".

Methinks you should follow your own logic.

Originally posted by adigregorio

Originally posted by Redpillblues
both illegal...might I add..Just because you may condone public nudity dosent make it any more legal than a sexual act...

And just because something is "against the law" doesn't make it "wrong".

Thats only your opinion..Society doesn't run on opinion..This debate can go on forever..

Originally posted by adigregorio
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Methinks you should follow your own logic.

why because I would turn a blind eye to a naked person,but wouldn't be so selfish as to keep someone from not being offended..I think i'm the one being more fair in my ''logic'' than you

reply to post by Redpillblues


--EDIT (Avoiding misunderstanding)
The You/Your(s) to follow are not singling anyone out, they are 'general you/yours'
--EDIT

Ahh, so by me not putting YOUR opinions before mine makes me selfish?

Why are not you selfish for expecting to have your opinions first?

Selfish is a hoax, inconsiderate is a better term here.

The 'Wizard' was inconsiderate to the other members of the event. You are inconsiderate to the 'Wizard' when you make fun of his penis.

I want to say things like "I can't wait till they take away your rights!" and "Wait till something like this happens to you!" But I do not want this type of thing to happen, it is against the whole foundation of this country.

It is a sad state of things when the average joe is thinking that this behavior is 'acceptable'. Of course this whole discussion is moot, there is some sort of 'mental block' keeping people from seeing that this was not the "proper way to handle" the situation (if there is such a thing).

OMG Hez Nekkid! Cover up your shame! (PS It is not shameful )

[edit on 4/26/2009 by adigregorio]

I still have yet to see an explanation for what happens at

3:00/3:01

of the video. The biggest (IMO) cop pulls a WWE move on the Wizard. An unarmed suspect, who was not resisting, was KNEE DROPPED by a cop at least 2x's (IMO) his weight!

Listen to the crowd at that point, I am not the only one who thinks that was un-called for (appeal to authority, take with a grain of salt). I use that as a 'general acceptance' that the actions of the police were 'too harsh'.

The question is, and none of us can answer, is this: Was it 'overboard'?

The only one(s) who can/will? answer that will be a jury of peers, or a 'commitee'.

ALL we can do is view the evidence (the video) and try to asses what happened. And at 3:00/3:01 something fishy happens, period.

--EDIT
I should really learn how to proof-read.


[edit on 4/26/2009 by adigregorio]

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Oh cmon. First, the guy was naked in public which is against the law. Its not against the law to wear a cross. Second, the guy was not cooperating with the simple request to put his close on. He could have either been tazed or forced to the group or clubbed a couple of times. What does it really matter. If you dont want the police to knock you around then try to follow their instructions. If you were wronged you can sort it out in court. They are out there risking their lifes so they cant just talk real nice to everyone who is breaking the law and expect that anyone is going to follow their instructions. In a nutshell, that guy deserved to get tazed.

What would you have done if you were the police? Would you have blantantly not done your job to enforce the law?


[edit on 23-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Or they could have just pinned him and down and cuffed him , with No tazer, no clubbing no fist punches to the body or head.

Why can't they just physically bring him to the ground and cuff him ?

They used to do that fine before the tazer. Sure they would club but even that isn't needed in a situation like this.


Just use your physical force to bring him down.

These officers and other could benefit from mixed martial arts training and learning the most effective way to take down a person.

Jujitsu or akiedo I believe are close quarters arts involving throws and the use of the body to bring your opponent down to the ground.

There is no excuse for the tazer.


In a few cases maybe the club is ok for a jab to a pressure point to make the body move a certain way, but the tazer is NEVER needed.


At any point if the tazer is actually needed the gun is more usefull.

I'm not saying pull out gun and , i'm saying that the tazer should only be used in dangerous situations and by that time the gun is more effective.


The tazer is not needed .....ever.

My opinion sides with the law,not just popular belief..Did I ask you to change your way of life to accomodate my opinion..no..dont be stupid..

A naked man on the internet opens himself up to ridicule,why do you think porn stars have more than a button ..

Originally posted by elevatedone
If you were a cop, would you want to have to arrest /scuffle with a nakked man? I didn't think so.

Use the taser and get them cuffed and clothed.

Sometimes we have to do stuff at our JOBS that we don't really want to do. But we must because it is our job.

If I don't want to work with a coworker I can't just tazer them....I just put up with the fact that they suck and working with them sucks and deal with it because it is my job.


Being an officer of the law is a JOB .

Are you saying they shouldn't have to do their job because it may be difficult?

Do other people have the ability to not do their job because it is difficult?

No they would be fired.


But not the cops, they get special babied treatment.

They get babied more than babies, and make a ton more excuses.


No I'm not a cop hate I have met some very nice officers, even when getting pulled over, who were very logical and cool with me and just normal guys .

But they are allowed to use this device and to act this way.

If their commanding officer tells them they can't use tazer, then these tazer incidents would stop.

Originally posted by Redpillblues
both illegal...might I add..Just because you may condone public nudity dosent make it any more legal than a sexual act..In both cases people have the choice to either turn a blind eye to it or call the cops..

I agree...it's illegal either way.

I think in general, the officers are way too trigger happy with the tasers, and it shows a real lack of training and maturity for those individuals that are at the ready with this potentially fatal device in situations like this where it's clearly not a matter of threat to the safety of the officers or public.

This was about forcing compliance through the use of weaponry, rather than any kind of skillful means of constraint, and that's something that should concern all of us.

reply to post by Zot Twady


WOO!

That is what I am trying to say 99.9%! (I never go full 100.)

What the Wizard did was moot, it was the actions taken by the police that are under scrutiny.

Regardless of the lawful status of the Wizards 'dance', the officers did not act accordingly. This is NOT an opinion, this is a 'fact' based on the evidence presented. (3:00/3:01 of the video)

Kneeing a compliant suspect in the chest is 'excessive force'. At 3:00 the suspect is on the ground in a submissive position. (Hands up in a 'no more please' position) at 3:01 the biggest (IMO) cop KNEES the suspect by dropping all of his flapping girth into the 'Wizards' chest.

Of course, I could be misunderstanding the opposite sides position. Do they think this was 'appropriate force'? The kneeking of a suspect on the ground in a submissive position?

Is this venue on the border of two citys?
In the newspaper article that covers this,it states that there were two officers from one department and the 3rd from another..The lone cop from his home department was the one who tasered the wizzard..He was also treated on site and charged 2300 dollars bail..

LOL a naked wizard. Who would have thought? The crazy man should have put his clothes back on in the first place.

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


They did their job quite well. They arrested the guy for public nudity and resisting arrest just like they were supposed to. They used a taser, which is classified as a non deadly weapon with the purpose of subduing someone who is resisting arrest or is a danger to themselves or others. As you can clearly see he is a danger to himself because he cut off his own weiner, leaving him with a serious case of Micro-Weiner

Sorry Micro-Weiner is my new vocabulary word of the month and I am trying to work it into conversation as much as possible to reinforce its use in my brain.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
They used a taser, which is classified as a non deadly weapon

Actually, tasers are considered less-lethal weapons (Source), and they are to be used "to be used by police to subdue fleeing, belligerent, or potentially dangerous subjects". None of which describes the victim, who was on the ground in a submissive position when he was tased.

Calling tasers non-deadly weapons is an exercise in futility, as they have been responsible for well over a hundred deaths since their introduction as law enforcement tools.

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
They used a taser, which is classified as a non deadly weapon

they are to be used "to be used by police to subdue fleeing, belligerent, or potentially dangerous subjects". None of which describes the victim, who was on the ground in a submissive position when he was tased.

I dont know what video you watched but it showed all the above,and battery to a cop if they pushed the issue..Let it be said to those that read this without watching the video that he was first tased as he was running away from the cops,regardless of the knee to the chest or not..That goes to show that he clearly did not want to be arrested..but i am not an expert as most here are not either..i'm just glad there was a video of this to show the jury if it goes that far the scene without blurred reccolection..

reply to post by brigand


Being naked is NOT freedom of speech...

In fact.. it's public indecency...

I thought the cops handled the situation VERY WELL .. he was given PLENTY of reasonable chances to just put his robes on. The ignorant fool wanted to flaunt his tiny wizard wand to the crowd, and the cops had to do something..

perhaps they may have used the tazer to much, but the man was resisting, if he had just put his robe on.. none of this would have happened..

So, imo, the cops did absolutely NOTHING wrong in this video.

Cops: 1
Naked Wizards: 0

Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by Liberty Lawyer
And besides, there are no long-lasting after-effects of tasers. They stun you, you get some burn marks, but they don't paralyze you and they don't permanently affect you. Otherwise, the police would just use guns and shoot peoples' knee caps when they attempt to flee.

I would wager you are very wrong.... Taser can have long lasting side effects and kill as well.

I would love to see your sources.

I have been tazed as part of a training exercise and I was up and walking just a few minutes later once I gathered my thoughts. It stung, but everything was back to normal within minutes and the bruises went away within days.