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Naked Wizard Tasered at Coachella

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posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by eMachine


There was more I was going to add, but my husband keeps interrupting me to go off about the Flu thread and I can't remember where my train of thought was leading me.



Haha yeah, this flu thing is distracting me too.

Hope your family stays healthy.

See ya.




posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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How many ways do I have to type this out for people to understand..Both child molesttation and public nudity are BOTH ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fact of the matter is that people have there ways to rationalize to themselves that there is nothing wrong with it..for what ever reasons I have no idea,but regardless of the law people think in there own mind that it is ok..

the fact is that just because people think its ok,doesnt make it legal..



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Redpillblues


the fact is that just because people think its ok,doesnt make it legal..

And just because somethings illegal it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Of course in this situation the cops HAVE to follow the law, EVEn if it's evil etc.

What most people here don't like has more to do with how they did their job, was it really necessary to kick and tazer him?............

[edit on 25-4-2009 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by BASSPLYR
Dude,

The guy sure as heck looked high as hell on something. THey drained the taser on the guy and he is still resisting arrest and trying to wrestle with the cops. The cops are telling the guy to chill out and relax after the incident. Say what you want about his pagan rights to run around naked in public, but that dude was hopped up on something, was running around naked in public, and was resisting arrest, which only went down after the cops tried in vain in a very nice way to get the guy to put his clothes back on.

Also, that guy has got to have the smallest wiener of any man on earth. that was seriously sad...not the taser...the guys lack of endowment. If I was that small I would not run around naked in public.
yes..Standard operating procedure to me..



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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what the hell is everybody complaining about if you dont like the rules of a game dont play the dam games.

this is the LAW!!! remember that? thats right if you live in a country you abide by the laws of that country. you want to eat fried chicken at 4 in the morning. then live in a western country.

you dont want to get tazered for being a nude wizard i suggest move to jungles of the amazon. its pretty simple really.

news flash you cant have your cake and eat it sorry thats just the way the world works. either change it or put up with it but dont sit there do nothing and complain its going to crap.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Some folks on this thread are acting as if they are unaware of the concept of police discretion and judgement.

The cop who stopped that NFL player from seeing his dying mother in law was within the letter of the law and was still reprimanded for using poor judgement and reasonable discretion, and rightly so.

Even murder has different levels (1,2,3, MS, etc) in this country and whereas no officer can observe a felony and not intervene, different police departments have different discretionary regulations as to misdemeanors and taser protocols.

In any case, no one that I have seen on this thread is suggesting that laws shouldn't be adhered to simply because we may not like them or that the cops shouldn't have arrested this dude. However it is simply obvious to anyone with common sense that the cops lost their cool and went over the top in apprehending this guy.

The combination of adrenaline, testosterone, homophobia, and tasers, never ends well.

I've actually asked a couple of cop friends of mine here in DC what they thought of this situation. Their response was understandably somewhat mixed. On one hand they have the instinct to back up all police action under the premise that a civilian would be surprised how often and quickly situations like these can turn out badly for all involved. On the other hand they also admitted that most experienced officers would have shown less panic and would have handled the situation better.

I also had an extensive conversation with them about the pros and cons of taser use, but that's for another thread.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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ahhhh so much is wrong with this video, first i simply cant stand the public reaction, all the young people there encouraging him at first but not fully suporting him when needed, i know that fear is contaegus but how come that everybody stand out there just paralized, sobebody had to do something ! or express some kind of feeling at least whatever it was. Is coward for me to say this not have being there but a good way to help pacificly would have been if everyone there started geting its cloths off... they cant stop them all. We are born into a society with rules that we cannot choose to agree or disagree, but who gave police officers the power to humillate a man like that? policeman should be humans beens before acting like robots following their book of what to do and nots to do.

how come he is not supoused to fight back when he is being tazed with all that electricity is an instinct to fight back you cant denny trying to survive.

i guess i been thinking of the 60s too much latetly...



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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reply to post by aspis
 


and what would you suggest the crowd do? rush the police officers who are doing their job?



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by aspis

Is coward for me to say this not have being there but a good way to help pacificly would have been if everyone there started geting its cloths off...



Some people look better with their clothes on, and this wizard was a good example.

Some tiny things are better left to the imagination!

Besides all of that, they guy was in the wrong, so why should anyone have defended him?



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog


In any case, no one that I have seen on this thread is suggesting that laws shouldn't be adhered to simply because we may not like them or that the cops shouldn't have arrested this dude. )

Well if you feel that way your as blinded as that little boy in your avatar..



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose


Besides all of that, they guy was in the wrong, so why should anyone have defended him?


Because he was a victim of abuse.

Public nudity is a crime. It's about as big a crime as jay-walking or driving 10 miles over the speed limit.

The police officers wildly overreacted, beat and tased a NONVIOLENT offender. Tasers are only to be used in situations to prevent a suspect from causing the officer or others harm. It was fairly obvious from the video that this guy didn't want to hurt a soul.

The most these officers should have done is handcuffed the guy and given him a citation. Any physical contact beyond what was necessary to detain the man (restraining his arms and cuffing him) was completely uncalled for.

He didn't need to be kicked, he didn't need to be brought to the ground, and he certainly didn't need to be tased. If we keep making excuses for the cops who do this stuff, soon they will be doing it to all of us, just to make their jobs easier.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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The police asked him to put his clothes on more than once, he refused.

He was acting bizzare, and, got what he deserved.

Who's to say what the nut case would have done next? If you were in the position of the police, and had to make a descision, what would you have done?

Outside of being ugly, the wizard had no weapon, other than himself. Who knows what he would have done next?

I know I'm not psychic, are you?



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by drwizardphd
 



Who's to say what the nut case would have done next? If you were in the position of the police, and had to make a descision, what would you have done?

Outside of being ugly, the wizard had no weapon, other than himself. Who knows what he would have done next?



You said it yourself, he had no weapon. What could he have done next? My bet is he would have kept dancing around naked.

And if I was one of the police officers in question, I would have grabbed his arms, cuffed him, cited him, and treated him with the respect a fellow human being deserves.

The fact that people will go to such lengths to defend police brutality sickens me. When it happens to your family, your attitude will change.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Redpillblues

Originally posted by schrodingers dog


In any case, no one that I have seen on this thread is suggesting that laws shouldn't be adhered to simply because we may not like them or that the cops shouldn't have arrested this dude. )

Well if you feel that way your as blinded as that little boy in your avatar..


I fail to see your point ...

All I said is that snippet you quoted is that the cops had the right to arrest him.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Oh, and one more thing that shouldn't get lost in the shuffle ...

One of the other points that was made by the cops I talked to about this situation was that if three cops can't arrest a happy naked guy without the use of a taser, they have no business being cops.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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Ha ha ha

Thanks, that's the funniest video I've seen all week


Poor guy - he certainly looked like he'd done some E's to me... but I bet he soon came out of his pilled up state when the pigs started shocking him with the taser!

Ouch!




[edit on 26/4/2009 by alienanderson]



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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Let's forget whether the Wizard was wrong for being naked. (I see naked people under spot lights 5 days/week, so I don't care if everybody strips off. Yawn!) He was naked, and he looked a bit messed up, but he was not violent. What did cops do before tasers? Did they stand around looking helpless, then just shoot people with a gun? I've bathed big dogs that were more violent than the Wizard, and I'll bet you that me and a couple of my female friends could have got him to the cop car. The cops should have asked the Wizard to put his clothes on a couple of time, then put his hands behind his back with the cuffs when he didn't comply. Two of those big cops could have take an arm apiece and the other cop could have been for extra support. They should have marched him to the cop car, and that would have been the end of it in five minutes or less.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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ok

WOW

not sure where to start here

there are several problems with the events that took place there

1st while the wizard was in pre-taser mode all i could think of was, whats randy from the trailer park boys doing at this festival LOL it was hysterical with the cops trying to get clothes on him


but then things went severely down hill

normally i shout cops suck (which they do, and is sorta proven here)
but the wizard showed true ignorance
but does ignorance deserve violence?

what needs to be said though is that the wizard was stupid, he escalated the situation stupidly

for the most part, i was shocked at how much patience the police showed with the guy, when the wizard started patting the cop on the shoulder, i thought he was done for right there and then

the cops showed restraint for the moment though

up until the tasering, the situation was being handled pretty well


tasering a naked man, who is non-violent (even though severely stupid) in that environment is a great example of piss-poor decision making and even more pathetic policies being put into effect


was the guy being complete idiot, of course

should the police have escalated a "peaceful" scene to one so dramatic and violent as that, in such a crowded environment. OF COURSE NOT

those cops were 3 big guys, there were 3 of them, and one stupid wizard, if this guy had merlins power and his friend just pulled a sword from a stone, yea the tasers would make sense

but what happened to the days when police could just subdue a "criminal"

i mean 3 cops cant hold the guy down and handcuff him without electricity??

as humans we cant seem to do a single thing without electricity anymore yet everyones screaming about the green movement, we have to leave a carbon footprint just to detain a guy now


this video should show any law maker or policy maker who sees this that the system is in dire need of improvement

we can not allow that type of event to be able to take place

those police were very lucky it was the crowd that it was, that VERY EASILY could have turned into a serious riot with those police getting hurt very bad

all it really would have taken in that crowded area was for one or 2 other guys or girls to punch one of the cops and all hell couldve broken loose

there wasnt a very secure perimeter the cops were working in, at any moment they could have easily been blind-sided by a "hero" coming to aid the wizard (for all they knew king arthur and the knights of the round table weren't far behind)

the crowd was on the wizards side, not the cops, a couple citizens couldve easily sucker punched the cops

and thats exactly what is going to happen soon if things like this keep happening

cops are the minority

we are the majority

in this situation, the people stood by idle

the next situation may be different

we need to install more tactful tactics or the cops are going to get themselves seriously hurt, which in turn will cause severe injury in civilians and more police when the riot cops get called in

and for what? because 3 fat cops couldnt handle a naked wizard??

the cops couldve easily grabbed him, cuffed him, and escorted him away, there may have been a small quick scuffle, maybe even a bloody nose at worst but nothing like the scene that took place

but what happened was not acceptable, tasing a man that way, in such a vulnerable state of being was too over the top, it was something that belongs in a WWE wrestling ring, not at a fairground at the hands of the people we hire to protect us


not only was everything handled wrong by all parties involved

and not only was there the potential for all hell to break loose

what about the crowd?

how many people in that crowd were traumatized by seeing such a thing?
how many people in that crowd now hate the police and are terrified of them?
how many people could have developed a sort of post traumatic stress problem from the event? i mean a man was naked and tasered a couple times, the cop seemed to even taser him in the neck(after he was already down) and kneed him in the balls (after he was already down and on his back)

what if there were kids in the crowd?? is that something that they should see??(i mean a naked wizard was bad enough do they really need to see the events following the nakedness)

its bad enough they have to see a naked wizard with an incredibly small member
do they really need to be forced to see him writhe in pain like that

if the man was violent or dangerous in any way

ok maybe bring out the tasers to protect the people

but this instance, bringing out the tasers unlocked pandoras box, all someone needed to do was open it with a single punch, or throw something and it would really get violent
and thats when innocent people get hurt, all because the police couldnt control things properly due to bad decision making and poor policies


bottom line, the wizard was stupid, the police were no smarter

we need a seriously better way of doing things

or we can keep doing things the same way

but watch, guarantee some cops are going to get hurt if things dont change

not to long ago on here there was a thread with a video of some guy running naked in a soccer game, cops tackled the guy, started beating him, soccer player kicked the cop in the head to protect the naked fan, a small little scuffle ensued

eventually sooner then later, it wont be a small scuffle and these cops are going to learn the hard way that the policies need to be changed

what concerns me the most

is will these changes be for the better, or will they make them even worse

very sad to see a very funny situation turn into the horror story that it did



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Man, I'm just waiting for the day someone pops a cop in the middle of that craziness.

There were only three of them... I mean c'mon, me and 8 friends could have caused enough ruckus...

We are not honestly Americans any more when this happens and everyone stands by. Bunch of wusses... they should be deported.


I think eventually this will happen... The more we see excessive force and abusive police conduct ect. people will eventually snap and get tired of this abusive Tasing display... I would bet in the future it will be the demonstrators shooting Taser's back at the cops.....



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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I don't know if I watched another video, but the cops responded fairly appropriately until the tasers.

They asked him for a good two minutes to put on his clothes, and that is when the video kicked on. We all know the video didn't start recording the second the cops showed up, so you can tack on another few minutes easily.

After resisting the police officers' requests, even after the police told him to just put on his clothes and be done with it, to which he responded by throwing the clothes away, the police put his arms behind his back and tried to cuff him. He started to resist them. True, three police should be able to put him in cuffs without the use of the taser, but the man should also yield to the rule of the land (aka the law). He didn't, started struggling, and eventually broke the police officers' grips.

The taser seemed out of hand, especially when the one officer disconnected the prongs and started tasing the wizard in the neck and head, but the guy should not have been panicking and flailing his arms.

The police use tasers for both their protection and the protection of the person to be arrested. For the police, it is the submission of the arrestee, guaranteeing the police are not harmed. For the arrestee, it is the protection against their uncontrollable actions--like those that occur under the influence of alcohols and drugs.

And besides, there are no long-lasting after-effects of tasers. They stun you, you get some burn marks, but they don't paralyze you and they don't permanently affect you. Otherwise, the police would just use guns and shoot peoples' knee caps when they attempt to flee.

As for any First Amendment rights, they are non-existent. The problem with the First Amendment is that people don't understand that it is not absolute. You cannot pick a religion that condones nakedness and practice that nakedness when the ordinance banning nakedness is facially non-discriminatory. So the guy had no "right" to be naked and frolic around with his tiny member.



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