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Robert Welch, 1958 predictions, coming true!!

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posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 12:36 AM
Well I watched the video and thought this guy was right on the mark, he reminded me of Eisenhower's speech about the coming military-industrial complex. I think a lot of libertarians of this mans generation feared what the American government was turning into - or rather, feared what all-powerful, multinational organizations, with no limits to their reach, could do to the sovereignty of any nation.

If the press weren't so completely owned in the US, then we might have seen a real revolution out of these tea parties. Instead all we got was ridiculing by the corporate news from signs held aloft by their obvious plants. This video, along with the new Thomas Paine video, need to be seen by everyone who still has a brain stem. Thanks for the post, S+F all the way.

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Burginthorn
Brilliant stuff!

Two things I think are very important.

1. Can someone make a copy of that video for download? So we can all get a copy to show others.

2. Research for more videos from Robert Welch and the John Birch society.


Ive just downloaded it to my PC and intend to keep a copy for the near future
but i don't know if im allowed to post it in the media section.

ill wait for the OP to give me the green light.


posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 01:38 AM
BTW, the following is the response i gave to this same topic on another part of the forums.

This man, just like others, such as those which have come from Communist countries have stated this for a long time.

This is a plan which the Communist regimes came into accord back in the 50s, and which high ranking Russian, and even Chinese officials have warned about. Yet many Americans, if not most did not believe this and allowed for it to happen slowly.

Below are statements from one of the highest ranking Russian officers who defected to the west, and one of many who warned us about the master plan.

More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.

Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4

Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.

The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."

Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States. The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on communist terms.

Several Communist spies have been caught, and who were in positions of power in the U.S. Some of them were professors in Universities, while others were working in offical positions. Yet there are still Americans, and other people around the world who claim the "Red scare" never happened, and Communism was never a threat?

Here are some examples of Communist spies caught not only in the U.S. but abroad, and read the message on the following article.

Spies Caught In the Web
Sunday, Mar. 16, 2003

Czech Republic They became known as the "Cibulka lists" — some 200,000 names of alleged collaborators and officers of Czechoslovakia's communist-era secret police (StB) — named for Petr Cibulka, a former dissident turned free-lance StB hunter who published them a decade ago. Although the Czech government once forced Cibulka to stop posting them on his website, it's now putting its own version online.

On March 20, the Czech Interior Ministry ( will post names of some 100,000 alleged StB collaborators, as well as 9,000 organizations the communists spied on at home and abroad. An online database searchable by name is in the works. Pavel Bret, a deputy director of the Bureau for the Documentation and Investigation of Communist Crimes, says the new disclosures should help victims of communist persecution deal with the past, but will also serve as a warning to "those who are too young to remember."

To catch a spy

The Miami Herald. Posted on Thu, Mar. 21, 2002.

Ana Belén Montes didn't fit the profile of a spy. Neither did FBI agent Robert Hanssen. Yet both burrowed undetected for years in highly sensitive intelligence jobs while compromising U.S. national security.

Federal agencies must find better ways to uncover moles in their ranks. The United States is plowing re- sources into identifying terrorists. It's senseless to allow spies to undermine us from within. Why did it take 16 years to uncover Montes, who on Tuesday pleaded guilty to espionage?

She had already been recruited by Cuban intelligence when she joined the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1985, according to the Justice Department. By the time U.S. authorities caught up with her last year, she was considered the Pentagon's top Cuba analyst. By then she also had identified at least four U.S. intelligence agents for her Cuban handlers.

U.S. authorities said that none of the four betrayed by Montes were physically harmed. Unfortunately that wasn't so with the U.S. operatives that Hanssen gave up to the Soviet Union, some of whom were killed.

Do you actually think there are no more Communist spies not only from Cuba in high level positions in the U.S. and other western countries?

The fact that U.S., and other western countries have been implementing more, and more Socialist programs should tell people what has been happening, and that people in the western world should have taken, and should still take seriously the warnings those of us who come from Communist dictatorships have been warning the west about this master plan, and the systematic infiltration by Communist spies in positions of power in the western world.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

posted on May, 5 2009 @ 05:19 AM
reply to post by ZindoDoone

ive downloaded this book now and plan to start reading tonight after band practice! thanks my friend
peace to all xx

posted on May, 5 2009 @ 05:42 AM
Alrighty then, those who believe the prediction is coming true, What are you going to do about it? Talk is cheap you know.

Plus I don't think libertarians or ultra conservatives will win the 2012 election. And you can replace one extreme with another, it's communism vs fascism, elite vs elite, one world domination against another. What will you do?

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 08:58 AM
reply to post by Jazzyguy

i will start at home, trynig to open the eyes of the ones i love to the crap thats going on, but i do see what you are saying my friend, i thnk that until there are enuff people with there eyes open all we can do is try and open a many eyes as we can
thanks again for your input my friend

posted on May, 16 2009 @ 11:17 PM
reply to post by Fuggle

you are young I bet.
Brainwashing is quite normal for those under 35.

posted on May, 16 2009 @ 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Sam60
I watched the video. It all seemed very general & non-specific to me. I didn't hear any great revelations.

Listen to it again when you're sober. And take your earplugs out!

posted on Mar, 10 2010 @ 03:02 PM
I'm going to post to get this very important speech back into the minds of both the USA and the UK. Who just bicker about what I know is just a divided ploy i.e. The false Flag that was and is called Communism, as it was and is (along with every other ...ISUM's) another Frankfurt School (FS)attack on the people of the world. And, it has been such a success that everyone uses all these ...isum's to divide themselves as an example Feminism a CIA funded idea (directly from Frankfurt School )means to destroy families and get the female to pay equal TAX's and equal work slavery, period!

Looks like you had your prophet back in the 50’s and treated him just as well as Ron Paul ?

posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Burginthorn
Brilliant stuff!

Two things I think are very important.

1. Can someone make a copy of that video for download? So we can all get a copy to show others.

2. Research for more videos from Robert Welch and the John Birch society.


The John Birch Society publishes a magazine called "The New American" and is a great publication. I know most ATSers would love the articles in it. The December issue had the cover story on Newt Gingrich and what he really believes... and how he's going to be the Republican (establishment) pick for president. Research a book called "The Third Wave" and you'll see exactly how Gingrich views politics. Peace. S&F to the OP.

posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 02:01 AM

Am not blaming Free4Ever2 for this but BEWARE!!

For some reason when i visited the link in the OP my PC has gotten SMASHED with spyware, trogans, and more!!!!


It seems no-one else has had this problem but me - just my luck.

Anyway please be careful.

Free4Ever2, perhaps you should consider mentioning this in the OP as its causing me all sorts of headaches now...

[edit on 11-3-2010 by srsen]

posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 02:12 AM
reply to post by srsen

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posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 02:19 AM
reply to post by Locoman8

Thanks mate, will do so right away

Let's hope it cleans it up, otherwise i'm considering resetting to a previous system restore point.

Free4Ever2, perhaps consider changing the link in the OP to Safe YouTube link

It is a good video nonetheless

posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 02:48 AM
reply to post by srsen

It's my pleasure. The site redirects you to which you can use to find free or sample software. AVG free edition has no time limit and you can upgrade to a newer edition when it's ready. Ccleaner is a lifesaver. It's a registry cleaner.... the place where most spyware and malware threats are embedded. In temporary folders and caches. Good luck to you either way.

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