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Topic started on 12-4-2009 @ 05:11 PM by Skyfloating
If UFOs were only a figment of our imagination they would not leave physical traces...but they do.


There are at least somewhere between 3,500 and 5,000 UFO physical trace cases.
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This UFO was witnessed by 200 people and left the following trace:



Physical traces can be...

* unidentifiable artifacts and objects
* landing traces (depressed grass, soil, burned and broken vegetations, out-of-place-toxins, etc.)
* Scars, Marks, Wounds reported by Abductees
* Implants reported by Abductees
* Damage to physical objects caused by UFOs
* Parts of UFOs themselves (unknown metals, liquids, toxins)

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The Tully Saucer Nest:



This happened in 1966 in Australia and was again accompanied by plenty of witnesses and investigative scrutiny.

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UFO Hits Wind Turbine



And yet another case with many witnesses.

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List of Physical Trace Cases

Why this thread? Because on this website we read "there is no physical evidence" every day. So save this thread if you want and just link to it every time you read that statement.

Enough Said.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 06:12 PM by ziggystar60
reply to post by Skyfloating



Well, it isn't excactly the first time a wind turbine has been destroyed by fatigue failure. There have been many studys and tests made to prevent this problem, here is just one of them:
www.ndt.net...

Many many more can be found by a Google search.

So I think the fatigue explanation makes more sense. Unless you can show me another wind turbine that have been destroyed by aliens.




reply posted on 13-4-2009 @ 12:11 AM by MCoG1980
reply to post by Skyfloating



Personally i think those octopus lights were the sparks from the turbine as it broke. It makes sense when you think about it. If there were any other lights other than this, could you provide a link?

At the time i provided argument for why i thought this was due to the turbine itself, along with publicised faluts known to the manufacturer, which i posted in the main active thread on the topic.

If this is to be stated as a definate UFO incident and its traces then all others possibilties must be ruled out which in this case has not happened.



reply posted on 13-4-2009 @ 03:25 AM by internos
There are countless very interesting cases with physical traces; one that comes to mind is the Height 611 UFO crash (see my signature):

A very interesting case is the Roaring River incident, occurred in 1966:
not only there has been some physical interaction with the environment (a classic CE2) but there's even a photographic evidence; moreover, the case was investigated in first person by Hyneck, and the witness let Allen take the negatives to Northwestern University where it was examined & appeared to be normal in every respect.


On November 11, 1966 the three witnesses were deer hunting when, at 1000, they returned to their camp site. As they approached the area they saw a thin column of smoke rising from the camp location. They found the 12 x 18 ft tent destroyed along with all the equipment stored inside the tent.

The tent was smoldering but no flames or sparks were evident. Shoes and some records were still smoking. Aluminum tent poles were singed but not burnt, aluminum cots inside the tent were melted. The tent was under trees with very dry leaves, they were not damaged or singed, indicating a very concentrated path of heating.

One of the witnesses always carried a camera while hunting so he could photograph wildlife. As they stood in the smoldering remains he noticed a dead tree some distance away which was 15 ft tall, the top 12 inches was on fire. They heard a humming noise and saw an object rising from the valley floor beyond the tree. He raised the camera and was able to take two photographs of the device.


Full report: The Roaring river UFO incident



The first photograph clearly displays the ascending object and the top of the burning tree at the lower right side. A cylindrical, tower-like structure is visible at the top rear section. This structure appears to have an opening at its top with a thin protuberance extending from the opening. The object was rapidly gaining altitude and speed as he rolled the filn to the next negative.




The object was in sight for about 20 seconds. The humming became more intense as the object gained speed. It was last seen 40 degrees above the horizon, moving rapidly into the distance. The object was aluminum in color and reflected the cloud diffused sunlight. They could see what appeared to be a dark band or rim around the center. The object was stable in flight. The three men paced the distance to the point of ascent, it was 300 ft. They estimated the diameter at 25 ft and the height at 8 ft. There were no visible traces at the point of ascent.

The two negatives with the UFO images were located at #’s 6 & 7 with hunting and camping negatives before and the three men at the camp site after. The clear image negative (#6) displays the object image with a length of 1/4. Dr. Hynek took the roll of negatives back to Northwestern University. They were checked at Northwestern by photographic experts and determined to be normal in exposure and appearance. The apparent size of the image is correct for an object 25 to 30 ft in diameter at a distance of 300 ft.



Full report: The Roaring river UFO incident


The tree showing the burning top section photographed after seeing the UFO

More about the story:
ufos.about.com...
www.ufocasebook.com...
www.angelfire.com...
www.department47.com...

The Black Vault Entry
ufos.about.com...

Center for Physical Trace Research Article



[edit on 13/4/2009 by internos]


reply posted on 13-4-2009 @ 03:43 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by Skyfloating

An incident occured in Ethiopia in 1970. Dr Hynek received a report relating to the incident.

It happened during the morning in broad daylight with multiple witnesses. At 11:30am villagers were disturbed by a loud noise from the forest. The noise grew louder and louder before what was described as a red glowing ball screamed towards the village. It impacted and destroyed several houses as it flew past.

It traveled a further 150 yards before turning around and almost doubling back itself along the road. The asphalt on the road was melted and cracked by the heat...

Melted asphalt

The object returned once more, demolishing a stone wall and more houses before coming to halt outside the village.

Melted pot

This happened in a small town, Sela'i Da'iro in Ethiopia in the early 1970s.



At 11:30 a.m. in Saladare, Ethiopia a red glowing ball of fire swept through the village, destroying houses, uprooting trees, and melting asphalt. It seemed to hover in place and then back-tracked. It caused eight serious injuries and the death of a little girl. (Source: J. Allen Hynek & Jacque Vallee, The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, p. 160)
Source




Other than the links provided earlier, the account of Saladare/ Sela'i Da'iro originated in Hynek and Vallee's book; The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects. In the book the incident is described...

This is one of the few documented cases where harm has been caused by something we must regard as a UFO. It was certainly flying, it was obviously an object, and it certainly was unidentified.


Hynek classed it as CE2

Close Encounters of the Second Kind are those in which, additionally, the UFO has some tangible effect on the environment, for example by leaving an imprint in the ground where it lands or by interfering with the normal functioning of a car engine


In summary, I think it's a very interesting case on several levels. It wouldn't be unusual for a village to be damaged in a war torn country. Possibly a missile? Dr Attal Makk's presence could well be in a humanitarian capacity. His name is absent online. This is understandable given he was there in 1970 and may have ended his career before the WWW took off.

An area that had been at war for ten years should include people that have no problem in identifying missiles or other ordnance. That Hynek and Vallee were satisfied with the accounts authenticity adds to its interest but it still seems inconclusive. Then again, they always do...

In the Ethiopian incident a young girl died and several people were injured, in this incident a security guard turns his weapon on a UFO and is blinded.

In Brazil, 1970 a security guard at the Barragem do Funil walked through the drizzly rain as he kept watch. At 9:45 he became aware of an object some distance away on the dam. As he approached, he noticed several windows with different color lights flickering from within.

Almiro became quite frightened, drew his revolver and fired at the object. Instantly he felt intense heat, he went numb and a prickly feeling of pins and needles took hole of him. He fell down, attempted to get up again and run. Still holding his gun, he took his whistle and started calling for help. He stated that after firing his first shot, the lights grew brighter and there was a noise. A blinding ray was emitted after he had fired his second shot from his double barrel.
Link

Letter relating to the elements of the incident.

Where the object had allegedly landed was a round, dry area on the concrete that had been sheltered from the rain by what?

[edit on 13-4-2009 by Kandinsky]


reply posted on 13-4-2009 @ 03:46 AM by spacevisitor
Again an important and interesting subject Skyfloating, and there are many UFO cases where the seen objects had left physical traces [evidence] behind.
As said below, there are at least somewhere between 3,500 and 5,000 UFO physical trace cases.
Those traces are really important because they support the witness testimonies.

Physical Trace Cases.

Physical trace reports were labeled Close Encounters of the Second Kind (CE-II) by J.Allen Hynek and involve instances where there was a physical interaction between the UFO and its environment. Usually these involve a landing trace, such as depressed grass or soil, but also burned or broken vegetation, residues, and more exotic traces. There are at least somewhere between 3,500 and 5,000 UFO physical trace cases.

Physical Evidence, Physical Evidence – General, Electro-Magnetic Effects, Vehicle Interference Cases, Physical Trace Cases, Physiological Effects, Radar Cases


www.ufoevidence.org...

Here are two interesting rapports about physical analysis of some cases.

Physical Analyses in Ten Cases of Unexplained Aerial Objects with Material Samples

Jacques F. Vallee, Journal of Scientific Exploration

A survey of ten cases of unexplained aerial phenomena accompanied by material residues shows a broad distribution of natural elements, many of which are metallic in nature. They can be roughly described as belonging in two categories: "light materials" of high conductivity such as aluminum, and "slag-like materials" reminiscent of industrial byproducts.

Most of those cases under consideration strive to meet four criteria: 1) the literature gives sufficient ground to support the fact that an unusual aerial phenomenon occurred, 2) the circumstances of the actual recovery of the specimen are reported, 3) there is data to suggest that the specimen is in fact linked to the observed aerial object, and 4) physical analysis has been performed by a competent laboratory of known reliability. In several instances the sample is available for continuing study by independent scientists.


www.scientificexploration.org...

Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports.

Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports (Sturrock Panel): Injuries to Vegetation
Peter Sturrock / Sturrock Panel Report / Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports

Summary: In some cases that involve an apparent disturbance to the soil, there may also be an apparent injury to vegetation. Velasco stated that four such cases have been investigated by GEPAN/SEPRA: the "Christelle" case of November 27, 1979; the "Trans-en-Provence" case of January 8, 1981; the "Amarante" case of October 21, 1982; and the "Joe le Taxi" case of September 7, 1987.


www.ufoevidence.org...
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