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Well, if things like life, human interaction, code of morality and ethics, laws such as not killing are not considered important issues, then you have a big problem.
What do you consider more important- like who will win American Idol?
That opinion is not supported by facts. Most people in the US affiliate themselves with a religion. Yet, the US is the most advanced country in science and technology. There are countries where most people are atheists that are backwards.
Is anyone that wants an abortion denied that right in the US now?
Politicians decided what stem cell research is ok, and what is not. No religious leader has the right to make laws in this country. If a politician chooses to use religion as a reason for a law, that is the politician's decision, not the religions'. They could just as well used a Ouija board to make their decision.
Take the word religion in the above quote of yours, and replace it with the words US citizen, and nothing changes.
Wow, so now old is bad. How scientific of you.
Wars and discrimination have been fought over just about any reason you can think of, race, land, resources, politics, even royal marriages. Stop using religion as a whipping boy.
Look at your two quotes above. You contradict yourself.
On one hand, you say religion is not clear-cut, there is no one answer, etc, and then you say religion gives easy answers to hard questions.
Religions cannot be blamed for individuals who belong to that religion that commit heinous acts. It has been proven that a much smaller percentage of priests committed pedophilia than the general population. In addition, rabbis and ministers also committed those acts.
As for working for free, people need to live also, feed their families, etc. Are you willing to work for free?
The Supreme Court even ruled the Humanist Manifesto to be a religious creed and ruled that atheism is a religion.
Originally posted by Badgered1
Could I please borrow someone's label maker? I think, after reading through all this, that I need some kind of label to distinguish myself as one thing or the other. Apparently I cannot just be me with my own views on life. I need a little tag.
I actually thought that the whole "Athiests must believe" back and forth exchange was relatively funny.
What makes me laugh is that every athiest I've ever met (although, having read the posts I have now been made aware that athiests are pretty thin on the ground. Thanks for pointing that out..) seems to "believe" (hahahaha) or agree on exactly the same thing. No variations at all. No disharmony. No need for additional clarification or validation. No need for Christianity in their life at all, but resentment that law and politics cannot distance itself from these ancient stories, and concerned that a great deal of effort and funding comes from people with a very clear religious agenda to make these laws and politics stick around.
Now I've also met a lot of Christians. I've met Baptists, Catholics, Presbyterians, Mormons, Evangelicals, Christian Scientists, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Congregationalists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Greek Orthodox, Lutherans, Pentacostals, Calvinists. Should I go on?
All seem to think that they have "the truth", but why don't they all seem to agree on certain things. Why would that be? They are all (a) Christians, and all working with (b) essentially the same books. What's with all the sects? The Bible is 'God's Word', right? Did he use different words with different people? What would be the point of that? Perhaps they all have different "one, true" gods?
If atheists are so terribly misguided, how come they all have exactly the same way of thinking. If the Christians have it so nailed down, how come they can't agree?
Another one I found funny, that actually was on topic to the thread headline:
The Supreme Court even ruled the Humanist Manifesto to be a religious creed and ruled that atheism is a religion.
Did GWB have anything to do with the appointment of any of these justices?
If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, there's a strong chance that we might be dealing with a small aquatic bird of the anitadae family (I won't take credit for that quote).
I'm not fooled for a minute.
Someone in this thread was horrified by a humourous reference to the Boy Scouts having any religious agenda. That's funny. The LDS practically owns the Boy Scouts these days. No agenda there, surely. The BSA suddenly gets into a pattern of persecution and discrimination that was absent for its entire history, and we are supposed to believe that there's no pressure coming from the same place as all the money? But surely, all the Catholics and Presbyterians etc. are just tickled pink by all this, because they all believe in the same thing, right? Nope. Because their "word of god" is better than the other guys' "word of god". Their invisible man in the sky is better than the other guys' invisible man in the sky.
I was never confused.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
You don't know why people worship a God, that's the exact reason why you should learn instead of dismissing it as foolish.