Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by DragonriderGal
There have been many ATS threads on this topic and witness statements are available with an easy search. I don't have those sites saved and don't feel
compelled to do your searches for you. Maybe what you have read in the past was designed to sell CD's and books. Some people actually pay for them
while those that sell them have a financial interest in perpetuating their theories regardless of how far fetched they are.
Well, since I never bought any of said material, it was a fail in my case. I just thought since you are always requiring us to show you proof, when
such options are available to you as well, it was a reasonable request. You ask us to spend our time and energy to 'prove' our claims, hence I think
it quite fair to require the same in return. Thanks!
Originally posted by pteridine:
As I remember, there were fuel fires and a burning airplane tire, parts were in trees, and human remains were scattered about, acccording to
eyewitness first responders. Light weight materials were carried downwind after impact and parts were buried well beneath the surface in a crater, so
the idea that these pieces were somehow dropped by another aircraft along with thousands of gallons of fuel is a stretch that only very few could
accept. Responders were on site quickly and the CIA wouldn't have time to hide the crater digging equipment.
And as I noted before, more than one witness noted that if someone hadn't told them a plane crashed there, they'd have never known. In addition to the
fact that a number of early arriving locals reported seeing no fire, said the place was eerily quiet.
“.If you were to go down there, you wouldn’t know that was a plane crash,” State police Maj. Lyle Szupinka continued. “You would look
around and say, ‘I wonder what happened here?’ The first impression looking around you wouldn’t say, ‘Oh, looks like a plane crash. The debris
is very, very small.
“The best I can describe it is if you’ve ever been to a commercial landfill. When it’s covered and you have papers flying around. You have
papers blowing around and bits and pieces of shredded metal. That’s probably about the best way to describe that scene itself.” - Pittsburgh Live
FOX News reporter: I want to get quickly to Chris Konicki; he's a photographer with the Pittsburgh affiliate of FOX affiliate. He was back there just
a couple of minutes go and Chris, I've seen the pictures, it looks like there's nothing there except for a hole in the ground.
Chris Konicki: Ah, basically that's right. The only thing you can see from where we where, ah, was a big gouge in the earth and some broken trees. We
could see some people working, walking around in the area, but from where we could see it, there wasn't much left.
Reporter: Any large pieces of debris at all?
Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
Reporter: Smoke? Fire?
Konicki: Nothing. It was absolutely quite. It was, uh, actually very quiet. Um, nothing going on down there. No smoke. No fire. Just a couple of
people walking around. They looked like part of the NTSB crew walking around, looking at the pieces.
Reporter: How big would you say that hole was?
Konicki: From my estimates, I would guess it was probably about 20ft to 15ft long and probably 10ft wide.
Reporter: What could you see on the ground if anything other than dirt and ash and...
Konicki: You couldn't see anything. You could just see dirt, ash and people walking around, broken trees..." - FOX (09/11/01)
"Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, was the first person to go up to the smoking
crater....Lensbouer told AFP that she did not see any evidence of a plane then or at any time during the excavation at the site, an effort that
reportedly recovered 95 percent of the plane and 10 percent of the human remains." - americanfreepress.net (09/17/04)
Again, shows that what you find, and what I find don't seem at all to be the same.
And if the CIA (or whoever) had prepped the site ahead of time, sure, they could have done the burying and moved all the stuff out long before the
event, even. If they did all the digging quietly, after work hours, nobody would have even known they were there since it is a fairly remote location
with only one location, the scrap yard, where people actually had a direct line of sight to the crash site. All the rest of the witnesses were behind
trees and only heard the explosion with a fire ball, which went away after about 5 mins during which time it set a few of the trees beyond it on fire,
which apparently spread from there. Just out of curiousity, why didn't the crash site burn on and on like the towers did?
What if the plane wasn't shot down, but actually was a missile shot into the ground to cause the explosion? What was that white military type jet
(reported by many of the locals) doing there, anyway? And if it was there to take pictures as some FBI guy told one of the witnesses (who saw the
plane before the 'jetliner' even crashed), where are those pictures?
What if the white jet was there to actually shoot the missile, to simulate a plane crash? There'd be a plane, and a big explosion and a big pretty
empty hole minus much wreckage, just like at the pentagon with only one witness to convince of what 'really' happened, no matter what he might have
And the white jet might have even dropped some stuff on it's two circles around the area (before leaving like a jet fighter, straight up) like that
seat cushion which miraculously survived to land on the lake house roof and all the tiny pieces of litter scattered around the site. Wouldn't have
taken up much room. Could have easily been dropped out of a missile tube or two.
And what if some of these later 'recovered' pieces were dropped from some other airplane under the cover of darkness after the actual 'crash'
happened, to be 'discovered' later by the searchers who were 'spreading out'?? No reason that couldn't have happened, especially if the CIA or FBI or
whoever was starting to get a LOT of heat from TPTBs because way too many people were wondering where the heck the plane was.
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