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Originally posted by thewind
Satan, lucifer are different characters? You don't know your bible then! God refers to satan with many names! Satan, lucifer, the son of perdition, that ole serpent, the "God" of this world, that old devil, take your pick!
" The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “t derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)...
However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate.
... Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. "
Originally posted by thewind
reply to post by mmiichael
Cool mmichael, so now you have offered up another translation? Wow, just another name to call satan then isn't it?? Now, you want some cheese to go with your whine now? Lucifer, satan, depending on the author and text, has many different names. You first cited biblical reference, and now you're wanting to utilize an "apologetics" format?? You don't need to apologise to me for anything, for I knew your agenda towards me was nothing but to antagonize me and try to belittle me in this thread. You have done nothing positive in this entire thread but attack me and anybody else who doesn't agree with you. May I suggest that you go to a chatroom or something for that kind of rhetoric and leave the intelligent discussions to the adults please.
Originally posted by thewind
reply to post by mmiichael
That's a good idea, withdraw, quit, which shows exactly what I have been talking about. If people don't agree with you, you spend the next several posts attacking them. I know for a fact that the bible is full of fallacies. When king james had shakespeare rewrite it, there was a lot of stuff left out, and a lot added. You think I am not aware of things like that? Just because I called you to task about a certain biblical issue doesn't mean anything else besides that I disagreed with you, proved what I was disagreeing about, and showed that my "faith" had nothing to do with printed "facts" in the book called the bible. I learned a long time ago, when researching, you better hang your faith on a nail at the door, because if you don't, you'll spend more time wrestling with your innerself and other people than researching.