Correct me if I am wrong, Jay... but were you not the person who advocated for the April 15th Tea Party in some Park or Square?

Were you earlier not encouraging people to send tea-tags rather than tea-bags to their representatives?

Perhaps I am mistaken or I am misremembering the thread.... but these are acts of abject cowardice, allowing who we might see as the enemy (The people who have betrayed us while in office) to dictate the terms of your objection.

Cowardice is allowing the people who are the problem to dictate to we the people how we should address them with our grievances. Having areas "ALLOWED" for demonstration, preventing people from demonstrating in such a way as to purposefully disrupt business of the day (Traffic, etc.)

Telling us not to send Tea-Bags for national security reasons. If you have not sent anything dangerous, WHY should you be afraid to send anything at all? You are not sending anything poisonous or unsafe. This is an excuse, not a reason.

I think the idea of mailing bricks to your representatives is a better idea, though.... a brick won't fit in a paper shredder, and it is harder to dispose of. And it has shades of pink floyd as well.

As for America, and your belief that peaceful protest will be the only solution... let me explain my point of view.

There is no solution. The fixing is done. America is on its way down, raped and shot by those in power over countless years. The people as a whole have forgotten who we are, and become such bickering, sniveling children that our own bigots and biases are more important than the freedoms we so selfishly horde for us and ours.

America is dying, and this is her death throes. Her red white and blue is running thick in the streets from her veins, and the finger has been pointed at her murderer.

The gods wish that I am wrong in all of this, and that perhaps I am wrong that all solutions have no more place in things.

I am ready for it... whatever comes. I will not fear... but my fervent belief from what I have seen is this;

We're on the last stanza of this grand old parade, the notes hanging winsomely in the air. A long silence will stretch after, and we'll live as just a footnote of a failed promise in history. We won't have only failed ourselves, we will have failed the world and perhaps crushed one of the last great dreams to have come from this, our human race.

I wish with all my heart that the people you wish to beseech actually gave one damn about anyone other than themselves. By the Creator, how I yearn for anyone else to matter to such people.

They just don't.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
Welcome to my ignore list buddy.


This is not about partisan politics this is about the government moving at beak neck speed taking away our rights and freedom. It is both the left and the right. We are currently being tag-teamed by them, one side gets voted in and they do their damage, the other side gets voted in and they do their damage.

The worst thing about it is that nobody that plays partisan politics understands that you are NOT getting what you think you are getting.You are getting an over bearing government that wants to control every aspect of your life. And you're being led like sheep to the slaughter.

I have no time to deal with people that are going to continue to play partisan politics. I will not listen to a view point that tells me to "deal with it we won". Not going to happen. You have your right to free speech but that doesn't mean I have to read it. This is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic which means I don't have to be subjected to be ruled by 51% of the people. That is why the Constitution gives the fed limited power and the states more power than them as long as it doesn't overstep the bounds of the Constitution, and further more there was already one war fought over states rights.

|rant

I'll add this again in case anybody missed it. How is it Okay for the government to not care about death threats to employee's of a company that we 80% own and to further demonize the executives of companies and play upon that and incite people to the point of possible violence, but when a representative is telling us it is time to stand up, people get all crazy and say that isn't right, and call her all kinds of names.

They're all hypocrites.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

I know all this, I said what she said back in the election was the Republicans are the only true Americans. That's what she said, is that NOT divisive? That's what she said, not me.I'm only pointing out facts and saying she could be working with TPTB to further divide and conquer. Don't jump at the first chance when someone says to fight-look at who's saying it.

Well, Thomas Jefferson said: "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."

And "Never spend your money before you have it."

What are we doing now? Printing money and selling government bonds (borrowing) in an attempt to spend our way out of a recession (which has never worked before, ever).

I like the first quote better.

Keep an eye on these G20 summit protests.

This is what I refer to. In London we had hundreds of thousands of protestors with peacable ambitions.
It appears to be spiraling out of control because the scumbags in charge over there have decided to taunt the protestors rather than listen to them.

Now watch closely as all hell breaks loose.

That day is coming for America, also. Things like this bring change.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

Well the problem isnt the dems or the republicans... its both of them! They both sit by while republicans ( George Bush ) and democrat ( Obama ) destroy the good ol USA. But i can tell you now that it is not even really them... there is a higher power controlling things and obviously that power is the elite bankers who first installed their central bank in our country decades ago. ITS THEIRS! Your government does not create money... a place called the federal reserve does.. sounds like a government branch or something because of the "federal" but really its owned by a private group of people who control most of the world.

You keep hearing about our national debt right? Well that debt is owed to the Federal Reserve... if the government printed its own money, we wouldnt have debt!

She is right though about having a revolution.. we need one. Sad thing is though.. that i think the bankers (NWO) are ready for it and can take us out with just a word.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by longstalker]

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Keep an eye on these G20 summit protests.

This is what I refer to. In London we had hundreds of thousands of protestors with peacable ambitions.
It appears to be spiraling out of control because the scumbags in charge over there have decided to taunt the protestors rather than listen to them.

Now watch closely as all hell breaks loose.

That day is coming for America, also. Things like this bring change.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

You are so right and i only pray they can overcome the brainwashed police and raid the bank of england.

God be with them.

I don't think you need to take up arm to fight the government. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
File your taxes but don't pay the "Donation". It's a little known fact the only crime the Feds can get you for, with taxes, is fraud if you don't file. They can't do a thing if you choose not to give them a donation.
Next time you do your taxes, look at the payment form. You'll see your payment is called a donation.
If you don't support the Government, then don't support them.
Besides all that... I don't know of any time in my life, when the Government has ever done anything for me.
Protect me...hmmm...Southern Border...WTT...
Educate me...School was a joke...More like jail...
Feed me... I don't think so...
House me...Nope. Not on crack. Not black. Not a mental case...
Represent me...Not into ripping people off or killing people...

Don't pay for something you didn't buy.
We know WTT was an inside deal.
We know the war is BS Bush Oil #.
We know the Feds are enslaving us.
We know we have the power to crush any government by not supporting their cause.
Don't Donate. Watch them crumble.
Then they'll know the true power of the people.

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
By the Creator, I feel as if I'm surrounded by children who know no better than what they've been told. *Sighs*

To Jay, and the others, who believe that peaceful protest will solve anything, allow me to illuminate to you how much of a joke this is;

They'll let you protest and gather in your chosen place (Which is not the steps of the whitehouse, and which is not disrupting anything.... because you've been trained not to DISRUPT things).

They'll patiently let you assemble, with your signs and your screams and your "USA! USA! USA!" nonsense. And quietly, they will laugh to themselves, and discuss how stupid all you protesters are. Why? Because all that they will do is wait. They will wait, then send some police forces out to gas you and "Disperse you non-violently" using tear gas and other tools at their disposal. They already have, and they will again.

And if they don't? They'll wait for the protest to fall apart. "I've got to get home to my kids, I can't afford to pay the babysitter."

"We've really made a difference, but I'm out of vacation time for work and they'll fire me if I don't get back, and with the economy how it is, I can't afford to get fired".

"I've spent enough time here, I've got classes I should be studying for."

They'll wait for the rabble to break apart because nothing unifies them and they have no interest beyond having their meager little, meaningless voices heard to those in power. Oh, they hear you. THEY HEAR YOU AND THEY LAUGH.

Because they know you are all a bunch of cowards. They know you are such godawful cowards that when they tell you not to send teabags in the mail "For National Security Purposes", you all roll over and do it, because GOD FORBID you do something ILLEGAL and get ARRESTED.

Cowards. Braver men fought and died for this country, braver men willingly laid out out on the killing fields choking, gasping and clutching at wounds in their gut as they endured misery before their eyes went cold. Braver men whose names you will never know, because they are the nameless dead.

They were willing to die rather than live in a society where their lives were dictated any longer. They saw the promise of the new lands stretched out before them; the promise of freedom, of individuality. Of personal sovereignty coming before country.

The real truth is that most of you here are not for armed revolt, even as an option... because you are cowards and don't want to be the first to die. You don't want you and yours to suffer, so you'll wait for EVERYBODY ELSE to make your decisions for you.... just as the brainwashed, self-defeating human beings that you are.

And those who can, those who CAN muster the courage to take their own destiny in their own hands, come death or freedom.... I only wish that you are the kind of person who would look at a convicted killer, or a transvestite, or a gay person or a liberal or a democract as brethren and clasp their hands should you meet them out there, on the killing fields.

Until there is action. Until someone actually does something, you will all remain cowards to the last.

I am not normally so venomous in my commentary, or outright hostile. I apologize, but I see no hope in this country anymore. I see no promise. I only see side-taking, selfish indifference and carefully cultivated hatreds breeding amok. There are so few people who have any sort of enlightened point of view that their essential existence is worthless.

My parents, after that meeting I mentioned in my prior post, asked me why if I was so wise didn't I decide to teach all the people. My response is thousands of years old, yet still holds true to this day.

"The teacher does not seek the students."

You're as narcissistic as obama