MadWorld: 'most violent computer game ever' launched on Nintendo Wii

Originally posted by Willbert
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

I understand very well what marketing is and how it falsifies its products to give the impression its what everyone should have.

I wont deny that this is true of many corporations and many products on the market. However if you bothered to look beyond fear and paranoia and did a bit of research into how games get made, you will find I'm right on the mark... but I don't expect you to do that.

Who knows hey... perhaps I'm in on it!

IRM

True and hopefully the parents will have the necessary discretion to not allow their kids to play this. But realistically many will be able to get a hold of it.

Should not be on the market at all.

Kids can download violent movies? should we ban movies?
Kids can kill anyone they want with a kitchen knife. Quick kitchen knives should be outlawed!!!

And just thinking about children playing this. No wonder we have school shootings. Such a violent world is it not?

Parents shouldn't be letting their kids play these games should they?, there're reason why games classifications have RESTRICTED ratings. And don't you think the fact that everyone has guns is the reason people shoot each other? not because someone played a videogame? Wake up.

If someone's mental enough to shoot someone they're going to do it regardless of wether or not they play games (or listen to heavy metal music etc).

aah, the american life. the only hard thing is bringing home the checks to help pay for crap that's not needed, everything else is just as easy as pushing a button. Raise your kids properly? nah, too much work, just park them in front of the tv or send them off "school" and you're good for the day.

Originally posted by Willbert
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

Games need approval... There is a regulatory body outside gaming companies that give the go ahead for games to be released to the populace.


P.S. It's entertainment for you and others... With that argument.. you could say mass murders and any other delinquent atrocity is entertainment to those individuals and those like them. Only difference is they enacted their thoughts.. while those who relish this type of pass time, games, also think along the same lines.

[edit on 20-3-2009 by Willbert]

Exactly my point! It is the type of thinking, entertainment or whatever you may call it that we indulge in which contributes to be a huge eroding part of society. Spectators..... It's all fun in a game, it's all fun when its not real. Why is that?

Why do we entertain these thoughts more and more. Why do we find pleasure in watching the suffering of others? As long as it's not us in the arena getting decapitated. But we enjoy watching it, playing it.

Because more and more it is accepted and wanted.
Just because we don't go out and murder like in certain games does not mean the satisfaction of such as in games is appropriate. Hence a contributing factor to the erosion of our society. I am not saying games like this are the only reason but that they are one of many. In order to end the erosion of society we need to know the means by which it erodes.

reply to post by N3krostatic


Your idea of "erosion of society" is my idea of harmless fun. What makes you right and me wrong?

If anything, blaming a game is a scapegoat for the real problems of society, such as others worrying about what NORMAL people do in the privacy of their own homes.

With your definition of "erosion of society", you better turn off your radio, tv and for god's sakes you better cancel your internet... cause who knows what might be waiting for you on the next website.

Originally posted by N3krostatic
reply to post by Tentickles

 

True and hopefully the parents will have the necessary discretion to not allow their kids to play this. But realistically many will be able to get a hold of it.

Should not be on the market at all.

Why? I'm 27 years old. If I want to play this game, I should have every right to do so. Don't want your kids playing this game? Well, then don't buy it for them. Afraid they'll borrow it from a friend? Set the parental controls on the console (they all have them, even the Wii) to not allow games above a T rating. You have a plethora of tools to watch over your kids.

Saying that M rated games should not be made is the same as saying R rated movies should not be made. And before you go off about under 18 not being able to buy R rated tickets, allow me to inform you that video game retailers have a HIGHER carding success rate than movie theatres. That means that it is HARDER for your child to get an M rated game than it is to get a ticket to an R rated movie. Another argument people like to make is that their kid might be exposed to it at a friend's house. Same can be said of violent movies.

Further, most video game violence alarmists like to make the argument that there are a lot of studies showing that violent video games are worse for children than violent movies. This is incorrect. There has not been a single study to show this. The closest they came was a study that showed that violent video games caused teenagers with PRE-EXISTING AGGRESSION PROBLEMS to feel more aggressive for a SHORT TIME after playing the game. There has not been a single study that has been able to prove a CAUSAL link between playing violent games and committing violence.

reply to post by N3krostatic


Eroding it into what? What exactly is violent video games eroding our society in to?

It can't possibly be a more violent one, society or at least what we call "civilization" is far FAR less violent than its ancient counterparts.

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
This whole argument about a "game" is pathetic really...

If games are so bad.. then "World of Warcraft" should be banned. It has a player base of 6 million last i checked.

It's actually up to over 11 million now

reply to post by eNumbra


Tetris causes the human to think that wasting time on games like this is actually conducive to the human spirit. There are some that I know that claimed to reached the pinnacle of the game and brag about the amount of time they wasted playing it.

Now imagine that those people have now 'graduated' to other games that are more time consuming. Now who is the loser in this when you have kids and you don't play with them or you stick them in front of a tv to occupy their time while you spend eight hours playing WOW or some other game. Or if your a teenager and play these games and then don't hang around with your friends anymore because you have different friends on-line in your Guild.

My comparison to the ads etc... I'm saying that you have adults on ATS that have ads that flash for only seconds whatever gore that maybe from a movie. This second or two flash of gore is enough to affect people so that they have nightmares and bad thoughts. This is what the link shows. ONly a two second flash of gore and people feel affected. Now you have a game where the object is to brutally assault your opponent and you get to laugh about it and joke about how neat it was to see you being impaled with spikes, or how cool it was to rip out someones heart. Then when you have someone that plays that game ask what it would really feel like to do it then you won't question why he asks that.

Its called conditioning as well as brainwashing...

Rgds




[edit on 20-3-2009 by AllTiedTogether]

Originally posted by N3krostatic

Originally posted by Faiol
man, if games make children shootings ... so we will have to ban every single movie that violence , sex .... wait, life ......

man. the games are not the problem ... the problem is with the society itself

The most important point is that these kind of things are protected by people like seen here ultimately further twisting the minds of society. Even the ones that know better should think twice about their sick little game, video, porn fantasies.

[edit on 20-3-2009 by N3krostatic]

Jack Thompson? Is.. is that you?

(Anyone who follows the video game violence debate should get this reference ;-D)

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by N3krostatic

 

Your idea of "erosion of society" is my idea of harmless fun. What makes you right and me wrong?

If anything, blaming a game is a scapegoat for the real problems of society, such as others worrying about what NORMAL people do in the privacy of their own homes.

With your definition of "erosion of society", you better turn off your radio, tv and for god's sakes you better cancel your internet... cause who knows what might be waiting for you on the next website.

I have the necessary discretion to know what to entertain and what not to. Others lack that and as "adults" we should probably be a little more mature with what we call harmless fun as it tends to have a scale which escalates more and more towards, well, take a look around. Watch the news.

I don't think I've got the message across yet but I am not saying games are a scapegoat and I am not saying they are "THE" problem society is in the state it is. What I am saying is that games like this one are "one" of the reasons out of many.


(sarcastic response deleted, trying to avoid pointless argument)

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


No, thats called having a pre-existing condition towards violence. The type of person you are talking about would not have to play a GAME to be set off.

They could watch a movie or any number of tv shows available to the mases to have the same effect.

So, if we go by your theory.. why has crimes against humanity been ongoing since the dawn of time? I am pretty sure there was not any video games 1000 years ago.

Again its a scapegoat theory against video GAMES.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
reply to post by eNumbra

 

Tetris causes the human to think that wasting time on games like this is actually conducive to the human spirit. There are some that I know that claimed to reached the pinnacle of the game and brag about the amount of time they wasted playing it.

So you wouldn't be proud of yourself in the least for finishing a 10,000 piece puzzle? Tetris is a puzzle game, and as the levels progress the pieces fall faster and faster, giving you less time to think and react. Beating it, is an accomplishment.

My comparison to the ads etc... I'm saying that you have adults on ATS that have ads that flash for only seconds whatever gore that maybe from a movie. This second or two flash of gore is enough to affect people so that they have nightmares and bad thoughts. This is what the link shows. ONly a two second flash of gore and people feel affected.

No... no the ads are annoyances, out of context lights and sounds designed to distract. The gore in movies is in context.

As for giving people nightmares... well, if you aren't mature enough to handle nightmares you aren't mature enough for the subject matter. People won't ACT on those bad thoughts, and that's what people are suggesting when they claim video games are evil.

They should just replace "M for mature" with "If you can't read warning labels, you're too stupid to be a parent... Moron."

It's pretty simple really, sit down with your kids after they've seen something violent, and explain to them that it was either A: Not reality, or if it was reality, B: Why it was wrong.

Parents are too often using the TV and PC as a babysitter...

I know, nowadays nobody has the time to spend with their kids, as both the mother and the father have to work to keep the family alive... but that should have been an indication NOT to have kids.

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by N3krostatic

 

If anything, blaming a game is a scapegoat for the real problems of society, such as others worrying about what NORMAL people do in the privacy of their own homes.

Indeed. It's often called transferal of blame and responsibility... or put more simply.. 'denial'. It's always someone or something else's fault. It's littered with scapegoats and buck passing.

There are always sick people in society and most of the triggers come from bad parenting and abuse during the formative years of a child's life. The other triggers are just bad genetics.

If it's not a video game causing mayhem, it's evil rock music etc. Remember when religious & conservative groups wanted Elvis' music banned because he gyrated his hips and made teenagers want to fornicate. There will always be wowsers!

The detractors we see in this thread are simply modern examples of social fear mongering.

"The devil made me do it!" .... of course he did!

IRM

[edit on 20/3/09 by InfaRedMan]

reply to post by eNumbra

Beating it, is an accomplishment.

I have the 10,000 piece puzzle hanging on the wall beside the 100,000 piece one. Everyone is amazed at the level of accomplishment... It's just a puzzle...

How do you show off your accomplishment to be be proud of and boast to your mom and dad and someone that matters in your life?

Originally posted by eNumbra
reply to post by N3krostatic

 

Eroding it into what? What exactly is violent video games eroding our society in to?

It can't possibly be a more violent one, society or at least what we call "civilization" is far FAR less violent than its ancient counterparts.

Do you think it is continually getting better? Do you think society is becoming more stable and morally conducive to a mature nation and peaceful existence?

I've seen otherwise....

Originally posted by N3krostatic
Do you think it is continually getting better? Do you think society is becoming more stable and morally conducive to a mature nation and peaceful existence?

I've seen otherwise....

Do you think those committing genocide in the "3rd-world" got the idea from video games?

The pinnacle of what we call "civilization" no longer preforms public hangings, we no longer throw slaves to the lions as bloodsport. Has it gotten better? No of course not. Has it gotten worse? No, of course not.

reply to post by N3krostatic



Well, we don't have bloodsport arenas anymore.... you know the whole Rome thing..

I see that as a way society has improved. Want more examples?

Its entertainment that does NOT HURT ANYONE.... myself loading up a game and shooting a few people before I go to bed is sure detracting from society. And in case you forgot, that is what THIS thread is about... not the evils of society.

-edit- What I do find Ironic is your avatar with a gun in its hand.. how is that bettering society?




[edit on 20-3-2009 by TwiTcHomatic]

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by N3krostatic

 

Well, we don't have bloodsport arenas anymore.... you know the whole Rome thing..

I see that as a way society has improved. Want more examples?

Its entertainment that does NOT HURT ANYONE.... myself loading up a game and shooting a few people before I go to bed is sure detracting from society. And in case you forgot, that is what THIS thread is about... not the evils of society.

-edit- What I do find Ironic is your avatar with a gun in its hand.. how is that bettering society?




[edit on 20-3-2009 by TwiTcHomatic]

Since you bring the avatar up it is something with a longer story that verges on mockery considering the subject at hand but I do not feel the need to elaborate further.

Edit to note that the point was completely missed that I was trying to make......

[edit on 20-3-2009 by N3krostatic]