Originally posted by ldunquist
Another common theme I see here is 'let the parents decide' how to get their children to dedicate themselves to their country. Putting aside the
fact that I do not believe this is in any way mandatory, guess what folks, in many cases the parents are failing miserably at this. Do you think the
Octomom is going to instill the spirit of service in her kids? Or your average welfare queen? Or what about the deadbeats who have stopped paying
their mortgages because it was interfering with their ability to drink their $5 Lattes? What about the migrant strawberry picker who took on a $750K
mortgage (honest to god this is true), or the farmer who hires illegal aliens because he can treat them like slaves, or the bankers who lent these
people this fake money, all because it padded their own bottom line? What about the police that would taser you sooner than looking at you? Are they
really training their kids to be upright citizens? Hell no, they are training them to be selfish parasites that look out for nothing but themselves,
and all others be damned.
Wake up people. WE are this country. And until we take ownership of it -- and I don't mean through the fraudulent 'ownership society', I mean
taking ownership of what it means to be American, to serve your neighbor instead of competing with him and screwing him over for useless trinkets and
baubles -- this country is not going to become a better place. Freedom is not free, and it can be paid for with blood, but it can also be paid for by
sweat and compassion.
Its not about what your country does for you.
[edit on 21-3-2009 by ldunquist]
You know I was getting a little angry and perhaps jumped the gun with your post but as I read it again I see there is much I can agree with but may
need some clarification.
Kennedy in his famous speech saying: Ask Not what your country can do for, but what YOU can do for your country, includes what is most wrong with what
you said about parents also and what is wrong with why they are not doing what many see they should be.
First Ill elaborate in the Kennedy speech and say it is about us ASKING what we can do and NOT about being told to ask what we can do.
I don't like it when Government says it is mandatory you do something voluntarily then tells us to ask them in some form of forced confession made
under duress any more than I like having to ask the country for help because they have made what used to be a very possible and attainable American
Dream for anyone from anywhere no matter what your lack no matter what your station in life was, we all had opportunity here and with that came our
successes and with that cam generosity and giving back to the community.
The only time I hear anyone saying they want to give back to the community is when some over paid egomaniacal sports figure or talk show personality
wants to make a school for under privileged kids because he needs the tax write off and the additional free positive public relations and free press
it would give them.
I think when you say WE are this country is correct but we are not its government. We are supposed to be however.
We are supposed to BY a Government by the people.
When you think about that statement and break it down in any comparisons where the word people are concerned, we think of the wife that stands "BY"
her man or a colleague or friend that stands BY for you while you may need them; they stand by for offering further assistance.
A Government "BY" the people is the kind of Government I want, don't you? I mean a Government "BY the people you would naturally agree by the way
it is said is one that is FOR the people wouldn't you agree?
By definition and any average understanding of English you would THINK that a Government "BY" the people or one that stands by their brother their
sister their fellow man is one that is FOR them and not against them and a Government like that would most certainly have to be one unlike most
history has ever seen.
It would have to be one so autonomous where people living in it would have to give 100% expecting 10% and feel satisfied that what they got back is
all you are going to get out of anyone and expecting anything more is to expect more from you than what you are capable of giving.
The album Aqualung by Jethro Tull Ian Anderson sings: "It's only the giving that makes you, what you are” When I was younger, and I got a crappy
gift from someone, I was taught "it's the thought that counts”.
You hear that kind of thing when gifts are obligatory or on days like birthdays when we are expected to give the birthday boy or girl there token
B-day present. The thought is then I shouldn't expect much and to those giving it is, if I HAVE to I’m only going to get them something cheap or
that old clock radio I didn't want still wrapped in the original box, I think Ill give them that instead. That is the thought that counts and who it
is accountable too got something they didn't need or want much less asked for and they do the same with it in the form of a "hand me down"
Whether forced or obligated by tradition, holiday or proclamation of the Government, this concept of giving is NOT the kind where much thought is put
into it and it doesn't count for much because it isn't giving at all no more than this Governments idea of communitarians or "giving" of ourselves
doesn't count for much and the thought behind it doesn't count for much because it doesn't think of anyone else but those it wants to impose this
kind of obligation this kind of tradition this kind of Government mandated proclamation on those who would not appreciate it anyway. They would be
those who got some less than they expected who weren't thought of very much and told it was the thought that counts.
When we GIVE 100%, if you think about it, when was the last time you really gave it your all? While you might remember such a time, most like to
think they give it all the time while others may think they give 80% at there job or charity. Think about that,, think about the times YOU wanted to
give of yourself and it didn't matter how hard it was or what you had to sacrifice, THINK how easy it was to make that decision and think about how
tireless you would be when you were part of a project or team when you pulled all the stops and did it expecting nothing but a thank you and ya knew
it was good and ya knew it was right and ya know how you knew??
Because the THANK YOU, was enough.
The Thank you and the smile on there faces made it worth it and those are the times that made giving without expecting a thing in return all worth the
effort because you did it on your own volition, it felt good and those that you did it for appreciated it BECAUSE THEY NOT ONLY NEEDED IT, THEY WANTED
That is when they knew the thought is what counts because you thought of them to give them your very best because you thought that much of them. In
other words they were important enough you did it no questions asked and you asked what can I do to help. What can I do? The question occurred
because it is how we would like the question to occur to others about us.
This was an Idea for community where people would get the community together and a farmer would buy the materials and the neighbors would all pitch in
and build the guy a barn for a few beers and some great home cooked fried chicken made in graciously with gratitude by the farmer’s wife.
NOW THAT IS COMMUNITARIANISM. That is what JFK was trying to say when he said ask not and NOT this Obamandated proclamation of what he was taught
about community. His favorite author, Saul Alinsky, his mentors in his childhood he writes in his book all communists and all the experiences he had
while serving as an ILL senator were the politics of socialism with an ideology that comes from Karl Marx, Lenin, and Stalin. Etc.
You can try to spin it anyway you want and they can vilify the rich and make capitalism sound like the politics of greed all they want. The
distinctions that once separated our political ideologies used to be about philosophical ideas USED to be about two party systems of Government where
checks and balances would get us something on either side of the middle. The middle was a philosophy that was either what was best for the greater
good and what allowed the most freedom for or own pursuit of happiness and no matter who won, democrat or republican, you could at least live with it
knowing that your own freedom to live in a society that understood it is only the giving that makes us what we are and the thought of giving our best
expecting appreciation is what we are about made either one something we could still be happy about.
THIS is what used to be the American Experiment.
The ONLY way a Government like that even COULD exist is if it was a Government which stood BY its people standing BY those people because they were
FOR those people and the service they gave their all was FOR all of us. You, me, us and we.
The only way a Government can do that is to be a Government OF the people, by the people for the people.
This Government and its people used to believe in something like that.
They believed a Country of its people that were of this belief would be happy in such a place and they were right. They knew it too and they fought
for it they fought for the truth because one thing I know as sure as I am sitting here typing this sharing a seat with my ass, is this country became
the greatest country world has ever known in the history of the world because it saw the quality of ten percent it got back for the 100% it gave.
The ten percent was frosting on the cake especially when all you were expecting was a genuinely appreciated thank you.
This President has got it so backwards and those who support him think giving is the kind I HAVE to give, so getting will be the thought that counts
and Ill tell you right now
I don't think much of him or his supporters so I doubt you are going to like the hand me down second rate community you get from a society who forgot
what we are is not about taking when giving is obligatory and the kind of appreciation you get is a thank you coming from those that received the
million dollar bonus's given by a Governments people where only half are angry half are delusional and neither of them are giving there all or being
served well by their Government of the Governing about the Government served by the governed.
Their ARE, no people anymore. just adversaries between left and right, right and wrong you and me but what ever happened to us and we,,
Well they are getting taxed into extinction to pay for the best money can buy for those who don't appreciate it, who don't need it but want it
because a President told us to. That if we didn't give we wouldn't get. Well, we gave and we gave reluctantly and we got no appreciation and I
think I speak for all of us when I say.
We didn't expect anything in return not even a thank you.
What we didn't expect is to be dis-respected for doing it
By bonus brazen BS backing up their bravado for taking
By taking again and again and again.
Is it any wonder the next time we give would be our labor because our wealth is gone?
Is it any wonder the gift is by obligation or Presidential proclamation?
Will it be any wonder they complain when they get what they asked for, don't need and didn't want.
Where the quality of what is given is crafted by those forced to and ordered by those who think they know what is best for you and me.
So far I have see us giving because it was taken, and handed over to those who don't deserve it because they put us in the position of having to do
it all in the name of community?
We gave to the incompetent and they got bonus's and we got more assurances for even more oversight and again no one is held accountable but Obama
says the Buck stops here with him/
That is just what I am afraid of, the bucks ending up there, with him.
I don't care what you call it communism is community service which is slavery given by indentured servants who are the children of those who died
spilling there blood so there children wouldn't have to be slaves and have a better life than they had.
Some of you blame the great generation for allowing the Federal Reserve while it was imposed on them no different than us bailing out banks was
imposed on us. I can't see today’s kids filling anyone from the great generation’s jock strap when it comes to the land that was for the free,
it is the home FROM the brave.
I hear so many people throwing the word socialism around while others thinking they know what it is saying we do not and others blaming unbridled
capitalism when they haven't any idea how long ago it was where real Capitalism is what made this country wealthy for not all but those who had the
ambition to try and the freedom to try it without the restriction of regulation because we were all responsible for our choices we make.
All of us are the sum total of the choices we make but lawyers like Obama said you got cancer from smoking? Let’s sue the tobacco company. You
spilled hot coffee on your lap driving to work from McDonalds? Let’s sue McDonalds.
You got a Mortgage from a bank charging you a higher interest rate with a balloon in four years and haven't been able to pay it? Let’s make
bankruptcy let you walk away from it.
You got a credit card that can raise your interest arbitrarily, making it impossible to make your payments then you wonder why your credit is bad?
Let’s call them predatory lending practices and make the small print on your next contract even smaller and more confusing so lawyers can help you
learn this lesson again.
Let’s make the pursuit of happiness a Government Entitlement so you can sue the Government for not being able to marry someone of the opposite sex
just like everyone else has to by law.
You gays want to marry someone but you can't marry someone of the opposite sex just like the rest of us have to? Ok then lets change the laws so we
can sue the Church or the Government so you can be happy too, lets make the law equal for everyone and lets confuse terminology like marriage from
meaning one male and one female to party A and Party B because you aren't happy having sex without the government saying it's ok so the people
won't hate you after you sue them for not being able to access marriage the same way it was for everyone else. Let’s make it an equal rights issue
so sexual practices can now be something everyone has a right to know so Party A can be Part B.
Let’s sue for being offended by the nativity at Christmas because it reminds me of a religion that wouldn't let me get an abortion when I wanted to
have sex to be happy but ended up with a responsibility I knew might happen but didn't care about anyone but myself.
Let’s keep them all reminders of that religion out of our lives period under the same laws that make being offended against the law.
Lets sue make the people pay for those families that enjoyed that sex without thinking so we can make fatherless families the norm and lets have
public schools teach them Government values because family values are dead without dads who are also being sued as deadbeats because they sued for
visitation of children the mothers of the children wouldn't allow him to see until he paid her rent but couldn't because he got laid off because of
the economy. Let’s sue the employers who laid them off because they caused your suffering.
Laws were never supposed to be about protecting perps and polygamists and pro-choice and pro lifers. When we find our freedom for religious
expression being taken away for silly reasons, and kids dying still in the womb, we can guarantee religion will gets its attention involved in
politics and when that happens we can guarantee it will be vilified as evil.
We know the axiom caveat emptor means let the buyer beware means be wise when you use money but when that wisdom is regulated so that we don't have
to be wise, we see why banks get involved in politics when people do not pay off their loans. When the government gets sued by so many for making such
selfish laws we see the Government tax the people to pay for all the lawsuits they had to borrow from the banks who are now broke. The whole thing is
circular logic and everyone else is vilified it is always the other side’s fault.
How ironic a man whose education was a gift and thinking it should be given for everyone else too? Think education is expensive Mr. Obama? Wait till
we see how much it costs all of us when it's free.
How Ironic a man whose wife was on the board of directors for a hospital she never earned a position in whose education was also given as a gift and
her idea of health care that she thinks it is too expensive. If you think health care is expensive, wait till you see how much it costs us when it is
free. How Ironic these are lawyers who have sued everyone and made laws that allow recompense to be paid by others who were victims of their own
stupidity but greed makes making stupid people profitable and now we have a generation of them following a lawyer they don't even know where he was
born save for a phony BC and a Hawaiian DOH's employees BS Non statement saying nothing about anything believed by everyone knowing nothing about the
nobody no one knows a damn thing about.
The only thing I know for a fact is what they both have penned in books and essays about a white America they despised and an America controlled by
rich white people protected by laws made by powerful white lawyers. Someone who until he was within smelling distance of ruling this country, married
a woman was never proud of it either.
People who were too bitter and angry, hands in there pockets during the pledge. Flags by Cuban nationals in there offices. They refuse to wear
national pins on their lapels. They didn't love American then and they don't love it now. They need to destroy it first so they can love the
country they want to turn America into.
How Ironic this mans heritage and ancestry comes from slavery, that he would rise to be President and make slaves of all of us behind the guise of
community and giving while suspicions of birthplaces and questions of intent are being treated with the deceit of denial the author of all lies the
legend goes, he is legion or Satan incarnate.
I am beginning to wonder if the ancients who wrote the texts in that Bronze Age book the Bible weren't right all along. The more of history
unfolding the more correct it becomes.
OBAMA! "The one" we have all been waiting for,
Is he the one, we will all regret
The new Messiah? or
The Anti Christ,
God Help us
[edit on 21-3-2009 by Aermacchi]