HR 1388 just passed

reply to post by jerico65

True. This is just one phase of Obama's/Rahm's plan to take complete control of the citizens and the country.

As we speak now, here is another seize for more power:
www.washingtonpost.com...

The Obama administration is considering asking Congress to give the Treasury secretary unprecedented powers to initiate the seizure of non-bank financial companies, such as large insurers, investment firms and hedge funds, whose collapse would damage the broader economy, according to an administration document. The government at present has the authority to seize only banks.

Every day, it becomes clearer and clearer that Obama will settle for nothing less than a complete National Socialist State, or National Sozialistische Deutsch Arbeiter-Partei without the Deutsch.

Rahm's plan takes most of his ideas from Nazi Germany of the 1930's and 1940's.

Like Hitler, Obama was "freely" elected, if you ignore the fraud of ACORN and other groups to register people such as illegal aliens, who did not have the right to vote. Regardless, enough voters were duped into believing that Obama would be a welcome change from Bush. Too late, they are now waking up to the fact that change means change for the worse, in Obama's case, much worse for Freedom and Democracy.

Obama will now venture into new theaters of war, as he follows the footsteps of FDR in dragging the US into a war that will make Iraq look like a picnic.

He will, in partnership with Monsanto, control all food production in the US, driving the small farmers out of business, and forcing GM food down the throats of citizens,

Next step- SOMA (ala Brave New World) will be introduced into the water supply.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Prof,

Awesome post.

Thank you for all the information and the assessment. Needless to say, I agree with you 100%. (And I warned before the election that Obama was not the glorious answer, but merely another puppet to advance the destruction of the USA as we once knew it.)

I just posted this same reply on the thread, HR 1388 passed senateWWW.ABOVETOPSECRET.COM

I am so mad I have to post it again in my own thread.

Just a few excerpts from the bill

‘‘(5) developing civic engagement programs that promote a better understanding of— ‘‘(A) the principles of the Constitution, the heroes of American history (including military heroes), and the meaning of the Oath of Allegiance; ‘‘(B) promote a better understanding of how the Nation’s government functions; and ‘‘(C) promote a better understanding of the importance of service in the Nation’s character.

HAHAHAHAHA I will follow with this next excerpt that makes the first one a bad joke

(12) H.Amdt. 49 by Rep. Miller [D-CA] Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.

WHO DO THESE TRAITORS THINK THEY ARE? AS ALEX JONES SAID "THE ANSWER TO 1984 IS 1776". HIGH TREASON IS BEING SLIPPED UNDER OUR NOSES BECAUSE OF SHEEPLE>>>>EDUCATE AS MANY AS YOU CAN

Now for the SERVICE. Do you want your children, parents or grandparents doing any of the following?

‘‘(vi) the repair, renovation, or rehabilitation of an existing infrastructure facility including, but not limited to, rail, mass transportation, ports, inland navigation, schools and hospitals;

‘‘(v) providing translation services at clinics and in emergency rooms to improve health care;

‘‘(3) involve students in service-learning projects in emergency and disaster preparedness;

‘‘(10) carry out any other innovative service learning programs or research that the Corporation considers appropriate.

SOURCE

My grandfather served in the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC CAMPS). The difference is they were PAID ADULTS with a choice.

Study, Volunteer, Mandatory, Whatever it is all a sugarcoated bill to enact free labor aka SLAVERY. Live free or die.............Take your CORPORATION and stick it.




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reply to post by timewalker


Great post. They are now calling the "camps" "campuses". Sounds so collegiate doesn't it?

There is a lot of text devoted to disaster preparedness and assistance as well as infrastructure improvement.

I have been reading through this thing for days and it is very clear what the intentions are in this bill. This verbiage targets at risk youth, low income youth, disadvantaged etc. under the guise of diverse backgrounds.

(3) YOUTH ENGAGEMENT ZONE PROGRAM- The term ‘youth engagement zone program’ means a service learning program in which members of an eligible partnership described in paragraph (4) collaborate to provide coordinated school-based or community-based service learning opportunities, to address a specific community challenge, for an increasing percentage of out-of-school youth and secondary school students served by local educational agencies where-- ‘(A) not less than 90 percent of the students participate in service-learning activities as part of the program; or ‘(B) service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.

There is even a little line regarding the Summer Work Program that includes in specific words, youth in foster care.

SEC. 1504. SUMMER NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAM. Section 154 (42 U.S.C. 12614) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)-- (A) by striking ‘Civilian Community Corps Demonstration Program’ and inserting ‘National Civilian Community Corps Program’; and (B) by striking ‘on Civilian Community Corps’ and inserting ‘on National Civilian Community Corps’; and (2) in subsection (b), by striking ‘shall be’ and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting ‘shall be from economically and ethnically diverse backgrounds, including youth who are in foster care.’.

What are they preparing for?? Disaster preparedness and first aid training is mentioned again. I don't want my kids working infrastructure programs. If this is the plan for the youth, what is the plan for the rest of us.

Once Again, the term disadvantaged youth is expressly mentioned towards the end of this section.

SEC. 1506. TRAINING. Section 156 (42 U.S.C. 12616) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)-- (A) by inserting ‘National’ before ‘Civilian Community Corps’; and (B) by adding at the end the following:

‘The Director shall ensure that to the extent practicable, each member of the Corps is trained in CPR, first aid, and other skills related to disaster preparedness and response.’;

(2) in subsection (b)(1), by inserting before the period at the end the following: ‘, including a focus on energy conservation, environmental stewardship or conservation, infrastructure improvement, urban and rural development, or disaster preparedness needs’; and (3) by amending subsection (c)(2) to read as follows: ‘
(2) COORDINATION WITH OTHER ENTITIES- Members of the cadre may provide, either directly or through grants, contracts, or cooperative agreements, the advanced service training referred to in subsection (b)(1) in coordination with vocational or technical schools, other employment and training providers, existing youth service programs, other qualified individuals, or organizations with expertise in training youth, including disadvantaged youth, in the skill areas described in such subsection.’.

This Bill is disturbing indeed.

I've read a few pages in and I'm just getting sick of all the left/right BS.

The one thing that's coming out of this is that people are starting (some of them) to wake up to the fact that it's a distraction. The rhetoric may differ, but the agenda is the same: control.

America, the land of the free. A while ago I would have said that, on a practical level, we in the UK were much freer. For example, badmouthing the Royal Family or the Prime Minister is more likely to get you a TV spot than a visit from Homeland Security. If you're entertaining about it, anyway.

But the UK is catching up, pdq.

As for the posters who don't think UK citizens should be able to comment on this issue, get over yourselves. That kind of jingoism deserves all the puncturing it's going to get.

DGtempe - good for you for being honest about changing your mind about BO. I wanted to be open-minded about him, too... and it was at least nice to see a world leader that could speak in English. But it's the same old same old and the only hope now is that people will get together and make a fuss. Civil disobedience (NOT violence) is the one tactic that will succeed.

And that video of the Obama Robot Kids... that was truly, truly scary. I mean, nicer choreography than the Hitler Youth, but... robots. Yes, I can imagine those kids taking you off to rural areas for forced re-education.

The US has been drifting steadily towards fascism since the seventies. I think it's just reaching a tipping point and people are only now starting to wake up to it.

Because it's a "democrat" doing the work, everyone's saying it's communist. This is not correct, simply because the corporations are still going to be in there.

In Communism, the state controls the corporations. In fascism, the corporations control the state. Got it now? The ultimate effects are broadly the same when it comes to personal liberty, but it's an important structural difference.

The rabid righties who are screaming "communism" need to wake up to this difference. The problem is that US citizens are immersed in a propaganda system where capitalism and communism are synonyms for ultimate good and evil rather than political systems that can be looked on with detachment and pros and cons weighed dispassionately.

Oh, and I noticed that "The Corporation" will be mandated to commemorate September 11th every year. Sweeeet! I wonder how they're going to do that, what enforced activity will be planned? What's in season? Maybe some enforced leaf-clearing perhaps?

The thing I love about ATS is there are so many people doing the reading...

Originally posted by timewalker

(12) H.Amdt. 49 by Rep. Miller [D-CA] Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.

This is incredible. Wave a final goodbye to free speech.

No wonder the media aren't covering this. Anyone going to forward it to Alex Jones and Glen Beck? Beck's starting to look ok in my book...

Just had a thought, sorry if someone else has already thought of it...

Isn't it ironic that the first black president is the one who reinstates slavery in the US?

I am sometimes amazed at the make-up of people. You're SO scared !

Scared of the control ! Oooooh !

When someone trys to come up with a plan to repair and rebuild the
infrastructure of this country, you shrink back and call foul, or maybe
"communism".

For the last eight years we've poured billions of dollars into a mock war,
letting big corporations make extraordinary profits at the expense of our
country's infrastructure.

So now when someone wants to change that, you get scared . .why ?

The word "mandatory" scares the hell out of you doesn't it ?

If volunteers were available maybe the "m" word wouldn't be used at all.

But volunteering is currently not working. We've got so many living the
easy life, the welfare life, the uneducated life, the homeless life, the
"I don't give a s#&$ life", that it's getting ridiculous. And they use the
phrase "This is America and I can do want I want because I'm free!"
to justify the fact that they don't "have-to" give anything back at all. They
can just continue to take and take, and never give anything back.

It's a STUDY to see if things can and should be changed. A lot of people
have yet to serve their country in any postive manner whatsoever !

Don't like that word "serve" do you ? Scares the bejesus out of some.
No, you want to be "free" to do absolutely nothing if you want to.
Is that like "having your cake and eating it too" ? Enjoy the benefits of this
great country but never give anything back, right ?

Maybe we need a wake-up call for all citizens. And maybe the ones that
are getting scared to death can leave if they don't want to contribute to the
repair of our infrastructure.

But why put down someone who is trying to improve our situation ?
Especially when he's just getting started. We need to support him.
Go Obama.

wow.
You truly can see who is conservative in this thread.

You guys/gals are inventing things in there that simply don't exist in hopes that others will be dumb enough to believe it (Rush style)

This is to reward people who give to their community.
It's not "mandatory" it's voluntary. You just can't reap the benefits of it without doing the work.

If you don't do the work, you don't get the money and go on about with your lives.

It's very "Conservative" in nature.

It's no different than volunteering to help build a home for someone, except here, you get compensation for your efforts.

Cmon people, i thought this place was about "deny ignorance"

it's the precursor to slave camps?



some of you should become sci-fi novelists.
You really do come up with some bizarre assumptions.

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reply to post by SIEGE


Do you know what infrastructure means? According to Websters:

Main Entry: in·fra·struc·ture Listen to the pronunciation of infrastructure Pronunciation: \ˈin-frə-ˌstrək-chər, -(ˌ)frä-\ Function: noun Date: 1927 1: the underlying foundation or basic framework (as of a system or organization)2: the permanent installations required for military purposes3: the system of public works of a country, state, or region ; also : the resources (as personnel, buildings, or equipment) required for an activity

Have you read this bill?

Sorry, but this nation does not need unwilling youth volunteers rebuilding the infrastructure of the country. Should the youth of our nation be the ones to volunteer to improve sewer lines, water lines, pave roads, improve aging military bases, remove asbestos from aging schools?

Should our youth be trained as responders in the event of a natural or man made disaster?

Read the bill, its all in there.

No thanks big govt. No need to spoon feed your ideals to my kids. My children will adopt the values of their parents, friends and family.

It all starts and ends in the home. Govt. involvement will only act to serve itself and not the well being of our nations youth.. This bill targets the underprivileged, the at risk youth, and specifically even foster children who are wards of the state.

reply to post by Fremd

You mention compensation for ones efforts. If you call a stipend of $500 for a full Summer of hard labor compensation then you should be the first in line. My Summers were spent working two jobs to save money for college tuition, books, meals, car payments and insurance.

Don't spend your $500 all in one place.

reply to post by jibeho


You've got to get up a lot earlier in the morning to get over on me.

INFRASTRUCTURE : (And this is for you) " The term typically refers to the
technical structures that support a society, such as roads, water-supply,
sewers, power grids, telecommunications, etc."

Yes, I have read it. And I'm not scared !

Your use of the term "unwilling youth volunteers" is comical.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with training our youth to be self-reliant in
the event of a natural or manmade disaster. How can this be bad ?
They will become valuable citizens as well as valuable individuals.

It all (may) start and stop in the home . . .but, all homes are not alike.

It may target the underprivileged, but it sure targets our neglected
country doesn't it ?

Peace

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by Fremd

 

You mention compensation for ones efforts. If you call a stipend of $500 for a full Summer of hard labor compensation then you should be the first in line. My Summers were spent working two jobs to save money for college tuition, books, meals, car payments and insurance.

Don't spend your $500 all in one place.

if every person in this country were exactly like you with identical circumstances you had growing up, then i'd say you have a valid argument.

But since they're not, it's moot.

This is nothing more than another opportunity.
Personally, i hated de-tasseling and washing dishes in my uncle's restaurant as a young man.

And it still paid me less than $500 for the summer.

Look past your political prejudices to see that this really is a great thing for some people.

Originally posted by SIEGE
I am sometimes amazed at the make-up of people. You're SO scared !

Scared of the control ! Oooooh !
When someone trys to come up with a plan to repair and rebuild the
infrastructure of this country, you shrink back and call foul, or maybe
"communism".

Scared YES! but even angrier!

Angry at morons who think that all that GARBAGE Obama says about our Infrastructure was going to mean JOBS!

You know what JOBS are don't you? Yeah those would be the things we trade our labor for money and THAT was my understanding of what OBIMBO was talking about and NOT slave labor GOT IT!

If you do NOT then GET IT and FAST because if you are an American, I don't care what the hell anyone calls it, Communism, Facism, Marxizm, Socialism, you name it NOTHING but NOTHING is acceptable with the exception of one form of Government and THAT one is LIBERTY, a FREE country where one can map a course of his own hopes and dreams and not those of people who think they know whats best for us and be forced to comply with it. Our forefathers fathers died for it, the Chinese built our railroads and paid the heavy price to gain status of free people here, the Blacks slavery brought the bloodiest battles in our history and you would THINK someone whose own heritage is African American would NOT want to go back there.

Many of you have forgotten the joy on the faces of those in Germany when Ronald Reagan said those famous words, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" I see nothing but fences going up along the borders of Arizona and Mexico with the barbed wire angled in AND out.

That means no one can get in and no one can get out either.

I see facilities and old POW camps where there is new barbed wire fences being installed around the complex where the same thing is not to keep people out, but to keep them IN.

For the last eight years we've poured billions of dollars into a mock war,
letting big corporations make extraordinary profits at the expense of our
country's infrastructure.

How has that been at the expense of our countries infrastructure ? Care to tell me how that has anything to do with this? That war was a fraction of this Nations GDP and The Democrats said OK OK OK every month since 2006! so blame the damn Liberals if you want to talk about who has control of the purse strings GOT IT!

If volunteers were available maybe the "m" word wouldn't be used at all.

Why you are the arrogant one aren't you smart guy. Let me share a little clue with you. Americans are the most hard working people in the world! No Society put out as much production as we have. No Country has given as much in charity by independant citizens than Americans, No country has given another Country's freedom back to them at our own sons and daughters lifes expense than America has and NO country has given as much to save its own in the form of taxes to bail out the failures of a Government's incompetent elected officials and the disease of Corporate corruption and the virus of greed like WE have.

We don't have to prove ANYTHING and I would THINK the first thing Obama should have done is ASK US!

Yeah that's right ASK and THEN find out who it is that won't step up to the plate and volunteer. I don't remember OBIMBO doing that, do you?

But volunteering is currently not working. We've got so many living the
easy life, the welfare life, the uneducated life, the homeless life, the
"I don't give a s#&$ life", that it's getting ridiculous.

Yes Homelessness is a problem here but last I checked, the consensus is Homelessness was second to slavery in most Americans Opinions and most were so fed up with this kind of Crap that a famous phrase was coined back in 1776 maybe you had heard of it in your public school for the indoctrination of Darwinism and eugenics the new religion that is taught in our schools today behind the guise of "science" .

In case you were to busy learning about other things in your Socialsim classes, his name was Patrick Henry and he never said Give me liberty or give me Homelessness because any Country where you are made to bend to the will of its Goverment is NO home at all and That is why Patrick Henry and many other Brave Americans, who could see past their freakin nose said, "Give me LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH and would rather die then bend.

GOT IT!

the
phrase "This is America and I can do want I want because I'm free!"
to justify the fact that they don't "have-to" give anything back at all. They
can just continue to take and take, and never give anything back.

Oh my your arrogance is riding the crest between Delusional and the duley indoctrinated dolt of a Public School system we should have been paying more attention to long ago OR you're just too young to remember the lessons of history and are begging to re-live it while desiring to take all the rest of us down with you but Ill say this again and MAYBE,, just Maybe you will be able to wrap your mind around this because this is just too much a nexus for you.

Americans Can't Give anymore than that which is Physically Possible son, and we have already given all our money, our grand kids money and our grand childrens grand childrens money, our sweat and our tears so GET OFF AMERICAS NECK with this TRIPE.

It's a STUDY to see if things can and should be changed. A lot of people
have yet to serve their country in any postive manner whatsoever !

I don't care what kind of study it is, HISTORY has already taught us this kind of thing is OUT OF THE QUESTION.

Don't like that word "serve" do you ? Scares the bejesus out of some.
No, you want to be "free" to do absolutely nothing if you want to.
Is that like "having your cake and eating it too" ? Enjoy the benefits of this
great country but never give anything back, right ?

In Case you haven't read my post up to this point smart guy, this Jerk called Obama has already taken everything most of us GOT and most of us work for the government 4-5 months of every year to pay the taxes on goods and services in what USED to be "this great country of ours" Now most of us only got a pot to piss in and what do YOU say??

You say: Well,, give them that too,.

Having cake and eating it too? Who the hell do you think you're talking to ? You think we are all IDIOTS on this Board? You don't think we know what time is? We fought and died tro deserve the right to do absolutley nothing if we felt like it! We know that we no more gain a benefit for doing nothing as we do lose the reward for having done something great and failed but Most Americans, at least the ones I know would rather do something great and fail then do nothing and succeed. So you can cast us as grim a bunch of fat lazy selfish good for nothing's as you like but when you say we are afraid and we are scared it will be YOU that wakes up one morning at the other end of a storm troopers rifle wishing your had the wisdom to listen to someome named Aermaccii back when the internet was still in existence and still free to enjoy.

Maybe we need a wake-up call for all citizens. And maybe the ones that
are getting scared to death can leave if they don't want to contribute to the
repair of our infrastructure.

Yeah?? heheh sorry, hehe I am just thinking about something I like to do to people who say things like that thinking this is there country when it ain't. It's OURs and people likek you are the ones that don't appreciate it. People like you are the ones who don't love it either. No you don't, you don't love America you love the AmeriKa you want to change this one into. I have already served this country so people like you can say such things on the internet, But I doubt you'd get away with telling me to give it over to people like you

Not in person.

reply to post by Fremd


I don't know if you've read much of the substance of what people have posted in this thread, but the legislation includes provisions to prevent people from protesting.

Look closer. It's a move to a totalitarian state.

reply to post by rich23


i did not read it word for word, no, but i remember seeing nothing about eliminating protesting in there.

Though i am not disagreeing with you - can you please point me to where it specifically states that?

Or is this another matter of interpretation of something different?

Originally posted by Fremd
reply to post by rich23

 

i did not read it word for word, no, but i remember seeing nothing about eliminating protesting in there.

Though i am not disagreeing with you - can you please point me to where it specifically states that?

Or is this another matter of interpretation of something different?

No he is correct, READ his POST it's in there and it's crystal clear that not only is this something that we will do under voluntary but mandatory compliance but we also don't have the right to bitch about it. Say good bye to our first and most likely our second ammendment.



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reply to post by Aermacchi


Great post!
Second line...Great post.

reply to post by Fremd

Apparently you have not read much of the thread either. We have laid it out time and time again. But we will do it one more time for you.

12. H.AMDT.49 to H.R.1388 The amendments prohibits organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing. Sponsor: Rep Miller, George [CA-7] (introduced 3/18/2009) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 3/18/2009 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Miller, George amendment (A012) Agreed to by voice vote.

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Originally posted by Fremd


This is nothing more than another opportunity.

No you're wrong, it is an opportunity ONLY when it is something we WANT to do. Not something we HAVE to do.

When it is something we HAVE to do, it is no longer an opportunity.

It is an Obligation

under slavery

Personally, i hated de-tasseling and washing dishes in my uncle's restaurant as a young man.

What makes you think doing something for the Government when you hate it would be any better? Especially when you aren't even able to make the post you just made about hating it.

The only thing we teach our young people doing this is how stupid we were for ever allowing it to happen in the first place.

What happens next is a growing resentment for the Government and,,

a Country they would rather escape from,,

then work for






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