Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists

I can't believe that the documents are genuine. I think it's all an NWO plot.

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by Ragdollcat

 

Hello RDC, just for clarity on "enemies of the state". Religious beliefs don't make anyone an "enemy of the state". But if you think for yourself then you are an "enemy of the state".

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent." - Thomas Jefferson

I'm not a Jefferson fan but I think he had that right. My point is that neither having nor lacking a traditional faith is not a measure of one's morality. We're all in this together. Even heretics like myself.

Hey, Hemisphere, You are right, being a free thinker now days does make one an enemy of the state in the eyes of the gov, but apparently being a Christian does too, or at least the FBI thinks, so.

The FBI law enforcement brochure from Phoenix, had Christian Identity listed under HATE GROUPS, along with Black Separatists, Skinheads or NeoNazis, KKK, and White Nationalists, which covers just about anyone.

Go to the front of the FBI brochure and read the definition of domestic terrorist.

With brochures like this and the Missouri brochure, it's no wonder law enforcement brutality has become so common.
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Images of the docs are posted on infowars website.

The documents were "confirmed" to be true;

I'm embedding YT Vid, hope it works, here's the link just in case: www.youtube.com...

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Whatever you think of Alex Jones, I always follow the data and the money.

Blue, Red, Yellow - which one are you? (and this is a general question)

[edit on 3/14/2009 by nwosigns]

I saw this, hope it isn't a repost:

www.columbiatribune.com...

...Titled “The Modern Militia Movement,” the report is dated Feb. 20 and designed to help police identify militia members or domestic terrorists. Red flags outlined in the document include political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, talk of conspiracy theories such as the plan for a mega-highway from Canada to Mexico and possession of subversive literature.

reply to post by hadriana


Thanks for that link, it is very true what is written, and gives further confirmation to those whom maybe have their heads still buried in the sand.

Star for you!

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Maybe you are right, but ron paul put it up on his site!

www.dailypaul.com...-935315

We already know how the delegates were treated.

Anyways apparently the cops said it was training, not profiling.

So it seems, that they're just obfuscating here. Just like the politicians.

reply to post by sezsue


Hi sezsue. Apparently there's more to the "CHRISTIAN IDENTITY" moniker than simply being a Christian.

The Christian Identity movement is a movement of many extremely conservative Christian churches and religious organizations, extreme right wing political groups and survival groups. Some are independent; others are loosely interconnected. According to Professor Michael Barkun, one of the leading experts in the Christian Identity movement, "This virulent racist and anti-Semitic theology, which is practiced by over 50,000 people in the United States alone, is prevalent among many right wing extremist groups and has been called the 'glue' of the racist right." The largest Christian Identity movement has traditionally been the Ku Klux Klan which was reorganized in 1915 by William Simmons, a Christian pastor.

Christian Identity Movement



[edit on 15-3-2009 by Hemisphere]

Okay, I'm guessing none of you tin-foil hatters actually bothered to read the document, so I will quote the section that has generated such a firestorm:

Political Paraphernalia: Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups. It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidate: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.

Read it carefully. Then check it against the title of the Info Wars article: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists . See the difference?

There is a HUGE amount of distance between the title of the article and the information provided by the document. Nowhere does the document ever say supporters of Paul, Baldwin, or Barr are terrorists. They are merely stating a fact: the militia movement tends to support candidates like Ron Paul, etc.

In fact, there is NOTHING in the document that is false.

As for whether it is a hoax or not, I tend to believe its not a hoax. There are far too many grammatical and spelling errors. For example, the Constitution Party is referred to as the "Constitutional Party." I'm sure a conspiracy theorist knows his own movement well enough to not misspell his party's name. Thus, the document seems rushed, which is a result common in any bureaucratic organization of such a nature. Also, the overall tone of the document is rather official. A true hoax would attempt to stir up feelings of antagonism of the purported brains behind the document.

They will make many people look like terrorists even if they have nothing on ya. Through the mainstream media they'll make it that way.

Now we have to think of a civil way to inform the mainstream people because they are the ones that are brainwashed. If you're against Obama.. you're considered racist/redneck and such. This has to stop. This isnt about Obama, its about most Liberals are corrupt. This is about most conservatives are corrupt. We need an honest leader and we need one now! I want to see an audit of every political figure and impeach every corrupt official and we need to do this now! NOT tomorrow, but now!

This government needs to be removed!

[edit on 15-3-2009 by disfugured]

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Okay, I'm guessing none of you tin-foil hatters actually bothered to read the document, so I will quote the section that has generated such a firestorm:

Political Paraphernalia: Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups. It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidate: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.

Read it carefully. Then check it against the title of the Info Wars article: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists . See the difference?

There is a HUGE amount of distance between the title of the article and the information provided by the document. Nowhere does the document ever say supporters of Paul, Baldwin, or Barr are terrorists. They are merely stating a fact: the militia movement tends to support candidates like Ron Paul, etc.

In fact, there is NOTHING in the document that is false.

As for whether it is a hoax or not, I tend to believe its not a hoax. There are far too many grammatical and spelling errors. For example, the Constitution Party is referred to as the "Constitutional Party." I'm sure a conspiracy theorist knows his own movement well enough to not misspell his party's name. Thus, the document seems rushed, which is a result common in any bureaucratic organization of such a nature. Also, the overall tone of the document is rather official. A true hoax would attempt to stir up feelings of antagonism of the purported brains behind the document.

BANK SHOT!!!!!


C'mon, you're right on the one hand, but they did make the association, did they not? between those targeted groups and who they support!!!

It's just a typical political bank shot slam, that's all! So that they have plauisible deniability!

The cops will have a negative association of Paul and his supporters.

And they got away with it due to clever wordsmithing!

The honest problem with all of this is we can actually debate if this is true or not.

I walked into the voting booth not sure if I was going to vote for Barr or Baldwin and someone like me is dangerous to that status quo. If you think for yourself and don't believe what you are told to believe can be a problem.

I do believe that any administration which want's to centralize power is capable of rounding people up and '3rd Party' supporters are an easy group to go after.

Remember no matter who it starts with it will come to your door.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
wouldn't you put them on a watch list?

That depends on whether or not ELF actually did it.

What is to prevent me from doing something bad, let's say burning down a church, and leaving a neatly typed note claiming responsibility and containing your legal name?

It is called a "false flag" operation.

It can range from police impersonating protesters in order to provoke a riot, to operatives destroying insured buildings with full knowledge and permission of the building owners and then blaming it on "radicals and extremists".

reply to post by sezsue


That terrorist brochure is incredibly scarey - animal activists are terrorists too? Yes, we are all targeted unless we go with the agenda and give up any rights or personal freedoms and possibly even our very souls willingly ...

It is impossible for me to comprehend the scope and all-encompassing noose being tightened around all our necks for what ??? Just "being" here is enough of a reason.

If you think that you are being dictated to under a socialist regime you are mistaken. Unless you believe that the regime that has been implemented is also as broken as the decadent and frankly repulsive system that did exist before.
Socialism is not satan , or evil. Its the corruption that occurs which makes socialism a difficult ideal to put into action. Socialism itself , if done correctly COULD make every man woman and child equal, happy, and well. Because no body wants to have "enough" and most people when asked would like to live to "excess" you have a situation which makes socialism impossible . At THAT point you get dictators , and people trying to tie the money up so that only the people who control the world can control the cash in it, and THAT is wrong. Dont dare slander a legitimate political attitude , just because you arent honest enough to uphold it. It takes a strong moral backbone, across the HUGE majority to implement a socialist state without it exploding in your face, and its unfortunate that no country on earth has ever managed to do it without massive corruption and inadequacies involving organised crime and terrorism.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Thats the entire problem though with socialism. Gives even more power to the government and with what both governments have displayed its no wonder everybody fears socialism. I'm against socialism because the odds of having a good non corrupts government is like winning the lottery. We cant even get a good non corrupt government in a democratic society.

reply to post by disfugured


Yeah I hear you , but the only reason you are having trouble getting a non corrupt government , is because HUMANITY SUCKS! That may seem to be an overly simplistic veiw but I stand by it. Face it, no one would trust a guy in blue jeans and a t-shirt fresh outa school to go and run the nation, but on the other hand , no one trusts the dusty corrupted , cynical old farts that actualy pull the strings. Until the poor man is in control, and does his duty without gaining any money himself, then you will never have your uncorruptable society. The fat and rich will crush your idealism at every turn, with wieght of pocket book. That is the problem. Power corrupts. Money is power, and a lack of it makes people look like they cant control people, and at the end of the day , subconciously EVERYONE knows thats what its all about .

reply to post by Hemisphere


It's another media smear job! I don't care who that guy is. The methodology is the same and the reasoning is the same, to demonize a certain group to legitimize persecuting them later on!

I've looked at those groups and the groups themselves are divided within. There are extreme views as well as moderate views. The same goes for catholics ,and muslims, and police, and judges.

But the difference comes in when the media smears the whole group and demonizes them all.

It's pure politics. I only wish that folks would wake up, but they are too caught up playing PC cop to see the strings attached to themselves.

Originally posted by Tentickles
This is why I renounced my faith in the government. Even if the documents are falsified, the fact of the matter is that the government DOES feel this way about people who go against them.

We are becoming a Dictator lead Socialist nation. I dont like it one bit.
There is hardly anything we can do to stop it.

All we can do is resist and fight it.

If you are fighting against the system, then you are still a part of it.

I haven't read all 11 pages, but I figured I'd chime in.

I live in Missouri. I passed this on to a friend in town who gets a lot of LEOs in his shop. It has been verified 100% that this is true by a Highway Patrol Officer. The plus is the HP officer wasn't too happy with it when he saw it originally as he's libertarian minded...

Danny

Well the memo or whatever it is has been confirmed, and it is true they worded it in a way which doesn't specifically label Ron Paul, his supporters, or libertarians as terrorist. They leave that to the general association officers will make as the document seems to have implied it without specifically stating it. I'm just curious if Ron will respond to this blatant attempt at manipulating law enforcement's perspective on true American free thinkers. Law enforcement bought in, hook line and sinker, many years ago when they labeled the free thinkin' hippies as violent radicals whom should be imprisoned. Why should I believe they will see through the BS this time around?