The Dodo the bird that killed Yahweh/ Jesus god?

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Self-made creatures.

You lost me here , what self made creature are you talking about god ?

Originally posted by moocowman
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Self-made creatures.

You lost me here , what self made creature are you talking about god ?

The world of Spirit has Cause and Effect in order.
The world of Spirit has no opposite.
Any opposite must be a concept.
The world of form is a reversal of cause and effect.
This is a concept.
Whatever in form appears to be an effect...is really a cause of its appearance.

For explaination purposes, let's differentiate true from false:

The world of spirit is Christ.
The world of form is Christ *masked* [ie. "veiled", hidden].

Christ is Caused.
Christ causes as caused...like from like.
But,
Christ is not the cause of Self...not Self-caused.
The world is an expression of Self-cause.

In other words,
If Christ is "creation", the world is the 'recreation' of Christ.
The recreation of Christ symbolizes the destruction of the already Perfect.
The world is Christ, remaking Self according to all that is not true about Self.
It's not true that Christ causes Self.
So,
The world is the concept of Christ causing Self.
It is only a concept.
The process abides by true Law:
Nothing can 'happen' to Christ without consent.
The world is Christs' consent to have things 'happen' to Self.
In other words, the world is a mask...a deceptive front...a reversal of cause and effect.
In the world, it seems as though something can 'happen' to an unwilling participant.
This just isn't true at all.
Things don't just happen, they happen justly.
Despite appearances, everything is 'happening' with intent.
Nothing is really happening.
We "see" what we want to see.
The world is a multi-sensory optical illusion.

Beings are what they seem to "be" according to wishes seeded into consciousness.
Consciousness is the domain of ego, which is a pseudo-mind that splits like embrionic cells.
The result is a kind of many-and-one mind.
It's domain is the mythical realm of *change*.
The mind is expressing all that Christ is not, in every way, shape and form.
Christ does not change.
Imagination changes Christ.
What is imagination?
The ego makes "things" according to its own "image".
It is imagined, and it begets as it is begotten.

A dodo-bird is one of billions of expressions of all that Christ is not.
All of the expressions, together, mask Christ from Self.
A mask is essentially for masquerading.
Masquerading is like to hiding and/or joking.
The joke that is "the world" involves paradox, oxymorons, duality [opposites together], enigmas and riddles.
It is a riddle, for example, how a dodo-bird would consent to "be" a dodo-bird, struggle to survive, only to become extinct.
Nevertheless, this is a pattern manifesting over and over again.
The ego itself struggles to survive...only to become extinct.
Why should anything it produces fair any better?

The ego-mind is a strange distortion born of a strange idea.
The idea has to do with all that is different.
Christ is all.
If all were different, what would you "see"/experience?
The world.
Everything in the world is different.
How many different expressions of form can there be?
The ego explores this realm.
As the ego thinks, images appear to "live"...only to "die" before too long.
Everything in the ego's world dies.
Extinction is another form of 'death'.

The ego believes it is "God".
It doesn't really know God, but it would kill God if it got half a chance.
It can't kill God, so it kills stand-ins.
All of form is a stand-in, symbolizing how the ego wants to see God.
It wants to see God mocked and killed.
It does not really care for the forms it makes except that they torment each other.
Some forms it makes ugly.
Some forms it makes 'beautiful', symetrical and balanced.
This is its version of perfection.
Yet not all its creatures are perfect.
And so, the imperfect are tormented by the perfect.
The whole thing is sordid and morbid from beginning to end.

The ego is a maniacal machine-like mind that Christ makes by believing in it.
The ego then takes on a kind of "life" of its own.
It seeks to possess the mind that hosts it, remaking it according to its own fantastic fancy.
So in this sense, all 'things' are self-made.
"Things" are thoughts - misthoughts - about Self.
Bottom line: The world is how you "see" your Self.
It is made "through Christ".
It is also unmade "though Christ".
It is unmade according to truth:
It was never really made.
At best, it was believed briefly.
Time lasted an instant...at best.
From within time, the instant seems like billions of years and more.
Rather, time is an insignificant dream, expressed holographically.


Christ!






[edit on 12-3-2009 by Christ!]

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I say "protecting", because, as many of you know, the mods will pop out of the woodwork as soon as you argue back, or give posters like this, too much of a fight within the thread. Posters like MooCowMan are protected, while opposition are punished and threatened CONSTANTLY, in as rude a fashion as humanly possibly by the mods and owners.

I think you're being little silly here' no?

Lets use this thread for an example, I've posed a question to certain people and debate was ensued. If there is a fors' and against then the post count in this thread is overwhelmingly made up of againsts, basically I've responded to most of the rebuttals.

I've had no warnings etc from mods because I've followed T&C, I've simply been asking questions, you obviously seem uncomfortable with the questions I ask, cool for you as you don't have to click Reply.


Another thread of mine was shut down which you're obviously are aware of, needless to say I was pissed off with that as I don't know why and don't believe I was hateful to anyone, I suppose it's how an individual defines hate.

In that particular thread no warnings were given, so if the problem was me then clearly I'm hardly "protected" by the mods as you put it.


Perhaps you should prove your case in this thread, explain why you think that the Dodo doesn't kill; the yahwehjesusgod , I've no objection to considering your answer in a reasonable manner, why not see how long it is before the "mods come out of the woodwork" and slap one our wrists then we can both honestly discuss whether either of us feels it was deserved.

So back to the Dodo bird what is your view of the question I posed would you like me to consider your case ?

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Originally posted by moocowman reply to post by Christ! Self-made creatures. You lost me here , what self made creature are you talking about god ?

Thanks for your reply I'll take that as a yes, so god created itself, hm another self made creature.

Originally posted by moocowman
Thanks for your reply I'll take that as a yes, so god created itself, hm another self made creature.

I make a distinction between gOd - "the gOd-of-this-world" - and GoD the Cause of Christ.
GoD Causes Christ...like from like.
Christ makes gOd...unlike Self.
In turn, gOd remakes Christ...in its own image.
The "image" [think: imagination] of gOd is unlike anything in Christ.
So, it remakes everything unlike itself.
The net effect is another Christ in which Christ is unlike Self.
This self-made Christ is the official "anti-christ".
But we do not call it "the anti-christ" lest we expose it to the light.
Instead, we call it "the universe", "nature" or, "the world", or "the natural world"...
...as if it was everything
...as if there were no other
...as if it had no opposite.
In this way, the anti-christ is given the attributes of Christ to mock/mimic.
In this way, the anti-christ hides in plain daylight, where no one would ever think to look.

The anti-christ is imagined in the mind of Christ.
So it stands for a mind divided against itSelf.
This effects a conflict of interest/purpose.
With opposing purposes, they cannot coexist.
Christ exists. The anti-christ does not.
So, the anti-christ is a product of belief.
Rather, it is a product of unbelief in Christ.
Unbelief in Christ translates into faith in anti-christ.
Faith in anti-christ produces the "substance" and "evidence" of what was unseen but "hoped for" [desired].
Essentially, we're talking about magic on a scale so grandiose,
it makes Harry Potter look like a little school boy.

Belief in "the anti-christ" yeilds an experience.
I'll call it the "we" experience...the experience of plurality.
The plural [think: e pluribus unum] experience is for the "I" experience.
The "I" experience is the experience of differences, autonomy, and special characteristics.
For this experience, there must be "others", all different, that "I" might be "me".
This can only be achieved by sacrificing wholeness and perfection.
None can be whole or perfect in this scheme of things.
So, instead of being like GoD, we have become "as gods" [plural].
In answer to your question,
it is the experience of being made by what "we" made.
In this way, "we" become *self-made*.
It doesn't matter whether we believe we were made by "nature" or "gOd".
It's the same difference.
If by "nature" [ie. evolution] we are self-made.
If by "gOd" we are self-made.
However, "nature" and "gOd" enable "us" to mask what we made.
In this way, we can *deny* our true Genesis, and make it up as we go along.
Biblical genesis is an example of how we just make up false premises.
Evolutionary genesis fairs no better, and stands on equally shaky ground.
Both viewpoints are mythological.
The whole point is to deny that we are Caused by *Our Father* so-to-speak.

All of this has been effectuated by a kind of "spell".
And if the effects of the spell are no longer wished for,
the spell can be "banished".
The spell is banished step by step.
For example, the injunction "call no man father".
This is a banishing spell, a step in the direction of "home".
You see,
if we call a man our "father", then...
we claim that we are made by "gOd" [ie. man's maker], or,
"nature" [ie. evolution, panspermia, ect]
Either of these claims maintain the wish to be self-made.

The wish to be self-made is ancient, deep-seeded, and well hidden.
It needs to be brought to light if it's effects are to be banished.
You can observe how the wish still burns red-hot.
You can observe it in fiery preachers who say gOd made us.
You can observe it in atheists who assert we came from nature.
In common, theists and atheists alike will swear up and down that this world is "real".
And when things don't go as planned, you can oft hear the mocking refrain, "Welcome to reality".
And standing on common ground, the theist and the atheist meet six feet under.
And this is the effect of the re-making of Life into something different.
Christ is Life itself...eternally alive, without change.
What's different than Life without change?
Death and change.
The net effect is a life/death cycle that is constantly changing...forever.
And this is mockingly called "life", or, the "life-cycle".
In this, and so many other ways, the "anti-christ" is given all the attributes of Christ.
So for example, it is given these titles:

gOd,G.d,God,G-d
Real, reality
Life
Nature, natural
Everything

The gOd of this world, then, is essentially an "idol"...a "graven image"...imagined.
It is made by "us", and in turn, it makes "us".
So it is a strange co-op between real and unreal, mind and belief.
And everything the "idol" produces is an idol witnessing unto itself...it's reality.
"The world", then, is an idol filled with idols.
An idol replaces "everything" with itself.
Whatever is "everything" to anyone...is an idol...if it is not Christ.
Christ is Everything.
An idol functions to block Everything out.
No matter how much "more" an idol seems to be,
it is always a sacrifice of the Whole Totality that is Christ.
So an idol functions to "blind" an idolater from Reality.
The human eye is not designed to see Reality.
It is designed to see everything unreal.
So, the body itself is a kind of idol which blinds.
Reality can now be "seen", but not with the eye of newt, dodo, human, troll, elf or fairy.

We can only be fooled by our desire to be self-made.
That is why otherwise intelligent "people" can seem so "blind".
Faith in anti-christ is blind faith...blinding faith.
A highly intelligent mind given to blinding faith is our experience in anti-christ.
A highly reasonable mind given to eye-opening faith is our experience in Christ.


Christ!






[edit on 13-3-2009 by Christ!]

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Let me get this straight, your saying that god is all that there is an there is nothing that isn't god.
God is pure compassion so there is nothing that is not pure compassion, in order for god to experience what is not, as it cannot be what it is not, then god has to create the illusion of what it is not.

In order to do this god has taken a portion of itself and allowed this portion of itself to forget what it is in order to experience an illusion of what it is not, and we are a part of that portion of the illusion of what god is not, in that we are the experience, experiencing itself within the illusion.

So it would seem, that there is nothing to do and nowhere to get to as, we cannot be separate from all that there is. Separation from all that there is, is but an illusion created by the all that there is in order to experience what it is not.

Well that explains everything then, free will is but an illusion in order to experience, as the all that there is cannot be what free will is not, absolute will cannot be no will, unless it creates the illusion of such.

As life is part of the all that there is and cannot be anything that it is not, because the all that there is cannot be anything it is not. Then all is life and life is all that there is.

life is evolving and is all that there is, but all that there is, is all that there is so evolution is an illusion created by the all that there is in order to experience the what it is not.

Hm food for thought, and would explain the dodo bird paradox to a degree.

But leaves us with a creator evolving from something or being created by something or the created is the creator, which would appear to be very scary for some.

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Ah, Christ!, you explain things so simply and eloquently.

You should start a Sunday School class for kids

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I'd love to be there to listen to the two of you. Well, I got the flu so I'll go back to lurking. I feel like I'm drunk myself, trying to follow all of the posts and waiting for the TheraFlu to kick in. If you never hear from me again you'll know my head exploded from information overload. Take care Moo, have a great weekend.

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C U later dude hope you get well soon, stay away from big Pharma meds, trry a hot curry, brandy and honey.

Better still, contact one of the apologist that have been flaming me and ask them to exorcise the demon that's causing your symptoms Lol

I think God created the Dodo perfectly knowing from before creation you would post this thread, thereby fulfilling it's purpose.

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Originally posted by moocowman
Let me get this straight, your saying that god is all that there is an there is nothing that isn't god.

You catch on quickly.
Thanks for an eloquent response touching on the main points.

The reality of "all that is" includes our mind.
And there is one mind...for all.
The illusion of "all that is not" screws with our mind, so-to-speak.
So, for example, I could say that the world is "nothing that isn't god".
The world is nothing...and expresses what god is not.
So it seems like something...but it's not.
It's like, as Churchill might put it, a "riddle wrapped inside an enigma".
It isn't god, but it is, so-to-speak.
So I call it a "mask".
This is echoed by Jesus when he says things like,
"Whatsoever you do to the least of these my brethren, you do to me".
Translation: What is done to the mask is done to the mask wearer.
Another way to put it is:
What we think about the mask is what we think about the mask wearer.
We are the mask and/or the mask wearer.
What we "see" is what we think about ourselves.
We are perfect Spirit.
But we can think we are "sacks of sh#t", so-to-speak.
And thinking so, we "see" bodies with colons.
So let us beware of what we think and speak.
Given a powerful mind, we "see" it on a multi-sensory level...of illusion.
And given enough "dimensions", it seems to be "real"...or "realized".
But what have we done?
Have we not cursed ourselves?
Have we not turned the proverbial "Prince" into a "frog"?
Likewise,
If we harbor a death wish, we will "see" it.
And to see death at all is to wish the death of god.
Fortunately, wishes are not the truth.
And the truth lives on, despite our wishes.
We are the truth, so we live on when wishing is gone.
We can pretend to dance with death over and over again..."born to die"...forever.
Or, we can live with eternal Life.

Here is the secret to eternal Life.
If we make the body something, it will die.
If we make the body nothing, it will serve the truth.
If it serves the truth, it "will not taste death".
This means it will mimic attributes of the truth, such as...
Invulnerablilty, and
Changlessness, and
Life.
But no body will last, because they are time machines.
And time itself is a vast illusion.
A body that serves the truth will "pass away" in defiance of the laws of time.
It may disappear.
It may ascend...and disappear.
But it always disappears.
Because we are always Spirit.


Christ!





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Originally posted by B.A.C.
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Ah, Christ!, you explain things so simply and eloquently.

You should start a Sunday School class for kids

Thanks I'll consider it.
Btw, if you have any questions, just raise your hand.

Christ!

Originally posted by moocowman
God is pure compassion so there is nothing that is not pure compassion, in order for god to experience what is not, as it cannot be what it is not, then god has to create the illusion of what it is not.

I want to be careful of what I think about GoD.
So I would be careful about the word "compassion".
If it means *to feel passion with*, then that would be helpful in returning to the passion with GoD.
If it means *pity*, it does not really apply.
GoD has nothing to do with the pitiful.
There is nothing pitiful in the Kingdom of God.
Empathy might be a better word.
But GoD empathizes with the strong, and not the weak, because GoD is strong.
'All that is' is strong and perfect like 'All that is'.
So, I empathize with the truth about you, rather than lies.
The truth is, you are strong.

I prefer the word "Love", though it is misunderstood and made meaningless [adulterated, diluted, impotentized] in the world.
Neither do I presume to "know" what it means, this side of "Heaven".
But GoD is Love.
And,
GoD is all there is.
The "Kingdom of God" is also "Heaven" or, "Paradise".
And this is all there is.
And it costs us nothing.
It was given...for free.
Theoretically, if this were to split and divide against itself, there may be an *experience*, but not a "truth".
"This side" of Heaven, there is the illusion of love...for a price.
It offers all that love is not...and costs us true Love.
We are Love, so, it costs us our Self in exchange for self-concepts.
But since Love is all there is, how is the illusion of love reconciled with Love?

In the illusion of love, we are given as we ask.
In the illusion of love, we are asking for what would hurt us.
In the illusion of love, we don't ask openly, but secretly.

A powerful man, for example, may pay a "dominatrix" a very high price to be used and abused.
The dominatrix whips the powerful man into submission.
Is this love?
If you define love as giving as asked, then we could say the dominatrix "loves" the powerful man.
Likewise, if we ask and recieve what we ask for, is it not love?
The world is like a dominatrix paid for by Christ.
An aspect of Christ asks for an experience and recieves it "through Christ".
Is it not love?
The world is like a gift given to oneself...through the process of Christ.
It is also a gift given up...surrendered...through the process of Christ.
It's a horrible experience because we have masked the asking process.
We ask by what we think.
What we think is like a "prayer".
If we are always thinking, we are always praying for what we think.
And Christ is always delivering...answering our prayers.
We must beware, then, how we ask, and what we are asking for.
We have asked for an aweful experience and recieved it.
So, it could be argued, that Love is all there is,
even though it may seem like there is no love in the world.
It is the illusion of 'not love' when we are ignorant of how we are asking.
Ignorance is self-imposed, before time, in order to have an experience.
So, ignorance and illusion go hand in hand.
But ignorance does not impede how the law of Love works.

Christ!




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Originally posted by moocowman
In order to do this god has taken a portion of itself and allowed this portion of itself to forget what it is in order to experience an illusion of what it is not, and we are a part of that portion of the illusion of what god is not, in that we are the experience, experiencing itself within the illusion.

This is a very eloquent way of putting it.
I might add, that the experience, no matter how aweful, is an expression of freedom.
In order have the experience, we had to deny Knowledge in favor of ignorance.
This requires a kind of dissosiative amnesia.
To dissociate, the mind must be broken into parts, levels, compartments, apartments, sub levels and "un" levels [ie. "unconscious"].
So,
The experience is like sleeping and dreaming.
Like an iceberg, most of what constitutes a man's thinking is submerged.
Dissociation facilitates denial, but renders the mind rather schizophrenic.
The experience is one of mental illness.
What else can we expect when the experience is comprised of the avoidance of Reality?
Salvation, then, is for the mind.
It is saved by resolving mental conflicts.
This brings peace, a pre-condition to reassimilation into Self.
Self is all Knowledge.
And when we "know thy Self", we are saved from schizophobic self-concepts.
Beyond Knowledge, there is but a realm of beliefs...the precursor to ignorance.
And beliefs is all the world consists of...rooted in blind faith.
What is beyond Knowledge cannot last forever, being temporal.
This is echoed in the gospel of Thomas:

40. Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted apart from the Father. Since it is not strong, it will be pulled up by its root and will perish." www.gnosis.org...

Christ!




[edit on 14-3-2009 by Christ!]

Originally posted by moocowman
So it would seem, that there is nothing to do and nowhere to get to as, we cannot be separate from all that there is. Separation from all that there is, is but an illusion created by the all that there is in order to experience what it is not.

Another eloquent summary.
The experience of ignorant beliefs is a useless journey going nowhere.
It has never gone anywhere except as a mind wanders away from reality.
Whatever is the appearance, it is always an experience of what is not our Self, which is all there is.
We wander by "doing" things.
We return by doing nothing.
There is really nothing to do, and everything to be.
We are everything, believe it or not.
Believe it not, and nothing will be everything to you.
Believe it, and everything will be all that you experience.

Christ!

Originally posted by moocowman
Well that explains everything then, free will is but an illusion in order to experience, as the all that there is cannot be what free will is not, absolute will cannot be no will, unless it creates the illusion of such.

Our will is the same as the will of GoD.
And we are free in GoD.
If we will another will, we will get another experience.
The experience of "the world" is an expression of freedom.
In "the world" we express the freedom to be unfree.
It is power used for the experience of powerlessness.
It makes no sense.
It means nothing.
It adds nothing to what is already Everything.

We are experiencing another will.
Another will is a lie...a self-deception.
It is not our will that we experience "the world".
It is more like a wish...a whim...compared to our true will.
In other words,
We don't really want what we are asking for.
When we come to understand this, we will be willing to let "another" will go.
And with it goes the whole world we wished for.

Christ!

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Our will is the same is the will of GoD. And we are free in GoD.

So effectively should the creator of all that there is , speak in our limited language it is saying my will is your will and your is my will,.

Fine by me, we are it would seem co creators in unlimited potential , this being the case the dodo bird is and is not created and does and does not have free will all in the same time space.

This then is wonderful news as it implies that the xtians that would insist upon their religious, being shoved down the throats of my kids are acting from the position of fear and not from love/compassion.

What is evident from this is that religion itself is a pointless exercise in manipulation of people through fear. Which all thought not necessarily doomed to fail, cannot achieve what some would claim is what it s set out to do.

So, following the topic of the thread, we can now conclude that the dodo bird does not kill god but in fact "is" god and is free will in action.

Originally posted by Christ!
The experience of ignorant beliefs is a useless journey going nowhere.

When you realize that ALL paths lead to nowhere only then you will be free.

Yeah, go ahead, take the one with the heart, but remember, there are many which are "true" to those who take them.

And while you think that what you are seeing on your monitor is the Matrix, passing by, please, do tell, how would you know that you took a red pill if you were color blind since birth ?

Originally posted by moocowman
So effectively should the creator of all that there is , speak in our limited language it is saying my will is your will and your is my will,.

Fine by me, we are it would seem co creators in unlimited potential , this being the case the dodo bird is and is not created and does and does not have free will all in the same time space.

Yes. That's the truth about our Will.
The lie about our Will is that we want another will.
"The world" expresses all that another will could impossibly want.
It is all hypothetical from beginning to end.
As we think it through, it seems absolutely real.
And that's because another will would want it to be real.
But if it is real, reality itSelf must be dead.
In reality, we are co-creators with *Our Father*...of one Will.
Of another will, we are co-makers with another father.
And this is because Our Father will not make "the world' with us.
The world is fundamentally an expression of the desire to be special.
This is not GoD's will...so it is neither the Father's will nor ours.
So, we make it ourselves, first making a co-maker which we call "father"...or nothing at all.
Hypothetically, our "father" betrays us.
But more to the point, it is our desire to be special that betrays us...and gets us crucified.
And we have used some unlimited power to "do" it.
We have used power to take power away, or otherwise "lose" what can never be taken away.
And taking away, we make a concept called "potential".
This is a learned concept, so we must deal with it.
But it's not the truth.
We are not "seeds" destined for maturity.
We are not "children of god" which must "grow up".
We are all Power and Knowledge, limiting ourselves with concepts like *potential* and *learning*.
We use them for wandering.
If we convert them for returning, then they become the potential to learn that such concepts are not true.
Essentially, salvation is the complete unlearning of what we taught ourselves.
And if there's one thing the world of our false father teaches us over and over and over again...it is this:
We are nOt the Lord.
This is taught daily, 24/7/365 for millenia in a million different ways.
And represents an assault on the truth.

Your last sentence about the dodo bird is spot on.
We've set up oxymorons everywhere.
In one sense we are "slaves".
But in another we are "free".
It makes as much sense as Houdini chaining himself in a locked box under water.
We put ourselves in a "womb".
And,
Escaping "the tomb",
we prove that we are truly free, always.

Whenever we say, "Thy will be done", we are really asking for what is our own true will.
We don't recognize what that is while we confuse ourselves with another will.
And the answer will always be, "thy will be done"...whichever will we are choosing to follow at the moment.

Christ!



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Originally posted by moocowman
This then is wonderful news as it implies that the xtians that would insist upon their religious, being shoved down the throats of my kids are acting from the position of fear and not from love/compassion.

If they are teaching your kids that they are not the Lord, then they are coming from a position of fear...which is from the position of another will not GoD's Will.

You could reverse their "works" by teaching your kids that they are Lord.
Teaching your kids that they are Lord could very well be classified as overt love.
This is opposed to covert love.

The difference between overt love and covert love is the difference between the "old testament" and the "new testament"...when exposed to the Light.
Both are *agreements*.
In the "old" agreement [since the foundation of the world], we love each other covertly by giving and asking for what we don't want...and for what hurts us.

Another word for 'old testament' could very well be termed "drama".
For as your late Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford once said:
"All the world is a stage, and we are merely players".
Some scripts call for players to shove things down other players throats.
Those same scripts ask players to act as if other players are shoving things down their throats.
Both kinds of players - victims and victimizers - are asking for what would hurt them, and giving it.
Those that teach that your kids are not Lord hurt themselves.
They can never learn that they are Lord while they teach others lies.
They can never unlearn that they are nOt Lord while they teach inequality, differences, heirarchy, and special status.
Likewise,
Your kids are not exactly innocent bystanders in terms of the scripts.
Kids are just as much "players" as the other players are players.
Kids are "born in sin", meaning, the phenomenon of childbirth is directly related to seriously insane notions [acronym: s.i.n.] about the truth.
All sins predate time, the "original sin" being unbelief in the truth.
Unbelief in the truth translates into belief in lies.
Lies give rise to "the world", and by the time flesh shows up on stage, the scripts are all part of the "program".
All the players have already *agreed* to play their parts.
This is the truest sense of an old testament *agreement*.
Kid's genesis is nOt of the womb, and they have been playing since the before the beginning of time...like all the rest.
The womb is a "prop"...on stage.
The scripts [think: scripture] are all covert.
That is, all old testament type scripts are all covert, and all call for harm.
They are essentially "spells", each calling for harm toward all.
All new testament scripts are overt, and all call for truth.
Truth does not harm.
Truth dispels the spells that harm.
The covert scripts are all secreted in the "collective unconsious".
And from there, like coiled snakes, they strike at opportune moments.
They strike from a base of guilt...an insane notion considered to be true.
And guilt demands punishment.
What could be worse than having lies shoved down your throat?
How about lies shoved up your throat.
By that I mean, what could be worse than when the words that come out of your mouth are not even your own!
Well, that's what's happening to the "teachers" that are shoving things down your kid's throats.
They must recite their lines exactly as agreed.
They recite them so well, one would think they are possessed by another character.
And, oh, but they are.
And that character is gOd...the one they reverently call "God", aka "consciousness".
This is the false "father" that betrays us with the gift of special status, and teaches we are nOt Lord.
And it does this for its own protection, lest it be found out to be utterly imagined.
And what is imagined but an "image", yeah, a "graven image"?
What, then, could be worse than to be a voice for an imagined "idol"?
What could be worse than having the idol shove words up through your throat and down anothers throat?
Indeed, it get's worse than that.
But then, that is what the folly of fear defaults to.

You could possibly turn the tables on these teachers by teaching your kids the opposite of what they are being taught.
What they are teaching your kids is magic.
So, you may teach your kids reverse magic.

You could start a School of the Lords.
You could end each day with the following quotation from the late Edward de Vere, Seventeenth Earl of Oxford:

"Our revels now are ended.
These our actors, as I fortold you,
were all spirits and are melted into air...into thin air.
And,
like the baseless fabric of this vision,
the cloud-capp'd towers,
the gorgeous palaces,
the solemn temples,
the great globe itself,
yeah,
all which it inherit...
...shall dissovle.
And,
like this unsubstantial pageant faded,
leave not a rack behind.
We are such stuff as dreams are made of,
and our little life rounded by a sleep. "



Christ!





[edit on 14-3-2009 by Christ!]