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Originally posted by sadchild01
reply to post by moocowman
the problem you seem to be refering to is a big one in western nations , but thankfully not in Russia or india amongst the christians .
I dont know but people here are a bunch of islam haters and israel lovers and the biggest bunch of hypocrites, despite the fact they are screwed left and right by Israel(israhell)
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Originally posted by Sestias
Um, I posted a thread on this at 2:25 this afternoon, before yours and before the other guy's whose thread you commented in, over in Breaking Alternative News.
I think it would be good if people did a search before starting a thread.
However, you posted in a whole different forum, and your thread is interesting, so carry on.
For those who wish to join my conversation,
My thread is:
Above Top Secret
Actually I did, and always do search for previous threads, nothing showed up.
MARYVILLE, Ill. — Terry J. Sedlacek was called a quiet teen who washed dishes and helped prepare food at his family's restaurant. After a hospitalization during which he almost died, he became known for odd behavior, such as making barking noises. His body would sometimes jerk.
"We're still not sure what the reasoning was," said Illinois State Police Lt. Scott Compton, who added investigators had not yet interviewed Sedlacek on Monday afternoon.
However, authorities say Sedlacek appeared to have planned the attack, since he referred to Sunday as "death day" on a planner found in his Troy home and he carried enough ammunition to kill 30 people.
Melton, one of the two church members stabbed in the attack, described the scene that erupted during Sunday service.
Winters had been preaching for a while when the gunman approached him, Melton told CNN.
"It just seemed a lot out of place for someone to be walking to the front to take a seat at that point in the service," Melton said.
Winters stopped his sermon and asked the man what he could do for him, Melton said.
The assailant fired a weapon and hit the pastor's Bible, causing "confetti" to fly into the air, Melton recalled.
"It was a bit confusing just at first," Melton said, adding that he could see from the pastor's reaction that what happened was not part of the service.
Melton was one of two men who first jumped the assailant, he said.
"By the time the second shot rang out, there were a number of us who sprang into action," Melton said.
Winters jumped off the stage, Melton said, and was met by the gunman. The two wrestled and more shots rang out.
The attacker's .45-caliber weapon jammed at that point, authorities said.
The assailant tried to get away but was subdued by church members, some of whom blocked the entrances while others grappled with the gunman.
For what its worth, I have been in church where a homeless person has came in during the service. It is rare, but I have seen it happen where the homeless person has walked up to the front of the church. At this point the pastor I saw did just as described in the article. He stopped the service and asked "Yes? How can I help you?"
June 17, Charleston, S.C. – Nine people were killed and one was wounded at a prayer meeting at a historic black church. A suspect, Dylann Storm Roof, 21, was captured in North Carolina, 200 miles away.
October 2012, College Park, Ga. – A volunteer leading a prayer service at megachurch World Changers Church International was shot and killed by Floyd Palmer, a former church maintenance employee. Palmer was arrested later at a shopping mall.
February 2010, Richmond, Calif. – Three hooded men walked into Gethsemane Church of God in Christ, opened fire and then fled. A 14-year-old boy and a 19-year-old man were wounded.
March 2009, Maryville, Ill. – Terry Joe Sedlacek, 27, walked into the First Baptist Church, and shot pastor Fred Winters dead at point-blank range. Several church members were injured by a knife in the struggle to capture the man.
July 2008, Knoxville, Tenn. – A gunman killed two people and injured seven during a youth performance at Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church.
December 2007, Arvada, Colo. – In the early morning hours, Matthew J. Murray, 24, killed two people and wounded two with a pistol at the Youth With a Mission training center. Later that day he attacked the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, killing two more people and injuring three. He was wounded by a member of the congregation and then committed suicide.
August 2007, Neosho, Mo. – Eiken Elam opened fire in First Congregational Church, killing three people and wounding several others.
May 2006, Baton Rouge, La. – Anthony Bell killed four people and wounded one on a Sunday morning at the Ministry of Jesus Christ church. He then abducted his wife and killed her at another location. He was captured at an apartment complex.
February 2006, Detroit – A domestic dispute was blamed when a gunman killed a woman and wounded two others at a Sunday service being held at Zion Hope Missionary Baptist Church. The gunman then committed suicide.
April 2005, College Park, Ga. – A 27-year-old airman died after being shot at a church where he had once worked as a security guard.
March 2005, Brookfield, Wis.: Terry Ratzmann killed seven people and wounded four at the Living Church of God before taking his own life.
originally posted by: lucidwave
Horrible. Not good at all. Watch now they'll try to use this as an "example" why there should be more gun control. Interesting to see how this story will unravel.