Easy statement coming from someone who gets government healthcare, retirement, probably the nanny and the car and the house too. Love congressmen who make statements like these,while insured of a cushy existence for the rest of their lives.

Healthcare isn't just about the individual, it is about the society.It benefits everyone.

Everyone having access to it means a much stronger society. It means everyone havign checkups. It means babies being born healthier, and going to full term.

It means that your coworker isnt' going to bring a disease into work to you, because they can't afford a doctor.

It means that a child isn't going to class with yours, while infected with a disease, because they can't afford healthcare and vaccinations.

It means worker productivity, that people are not called out sick for long lengths of time because they can't afford proper medical treatment that gets them on their feet earlier.

Think it is a privelage? Well then don't complain when your child contracts lice, ringworm, or scabies, chicken pox.

don't complain when you have to fill in for coworkers constantly, because they are out sick with a disease they can't treat.

Don't complain when a sick waiter hands you your food. Or a sick flight attendent works on a plane.

yes our ancestors went without healthcare, and the conditions were deplorable. children died constantly, many went without parents, many dealt with drug addictions, because of the stress.

Our ancestors WORKED VERY HARD for a better life, so we didn't have to live like that.

This is why the GOP is in the minority. They hyprocracy is amazing. Family values. blah!

They will force you to keep children that you can't take care of, and remove every safety net that is needed to take care of those children.

We will force you to keep that baby, yet we will not provide the critical prenatal care that is needed to ensure a healthy pregnancy.

No child should be left hungry and without healthcare, period.

And yet, they are the first to criticize nations for doing that very same thing.

They will force prayers in school, all in the name of morals. yet, they say anything that Jesus would of supported is a privelage. Sorry, but I think ol' JC would of liked healthcare for all.


Last but not least, we are not going to socialist healthcare. The plan is to have a government created healthcare in addition to private. That small companies, who otherwise can't afford it. Darn those small businesses, how dare they want to thrive? That means people will keep their private companies if they like them.

I think it works pretty well for both groups.

We are Pro Life!

But because your mother was poor you didn't get the best education which lead to you not getting the best job. So basically you didn't work hard enough and that's why we are going to watch you slowly die. We just wanted to make sure you had your fair chance at life...

Edit to add; I would have thought that it was quite clear what I feel about requiring the fruits of anothers labor to feed anothers hunger. In case my above answer is misread, or misunderstood, you should know that I am an eight year veteren of the military, and did so as a VOLUNTEER.

You guys are actually quite pathetic; carting out case after case to somehow justify the theft of another mans life.

It actually makes me sick to my stomach. Or maybe it's the food here in Britain.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Easy statement coming from someone who gets government healthcare, retirement, probably the nanny and the car and the house too. Love congressmen who make statements like these,while insured of a cushy existence for the rest of their lives.

Thanks for your entire post. You put very well into words, what I was thinking, and you brought up some very interesting points. If I could give you 50 stars for this one, I would!

Well,

I have a considseration for you all to toss about, if you're so inclined.

The Medical "Arts" should not be an industrialized institution. The care and nurturing of the human body should not be organized into a profit-making venture. It seems paradoxic to me, that those who profit from the ailments of others would legitimately be inclined to see you NOT need their services.

The truth is, doctors are not the drivers of the ugly profit paradigm. It's the "Insurance" companies that use actuarial tables and betting gimmicks to make money over the possibility you will become ill. Further, the insittution is disinclined to pay out, finding every means necessary to REFUSE payment.

If you mandate healthcare (as was done in the US with car insurance) you are codifying the expense into a perpetual revenue flow for these racketeers who offer insurance.

Insurance companies are the reason the costs are so high. It behooves them that they continue to increase indefinitely. And here we are trying to FORCE healtchare to be considered as a 'right' which serves to continue to funnel money into the insurance company's pockets, while doing nothing for the person who is in the uncomfortable position of needing care they can't afford.

By the way, not to stray too far off-topic; Insurace companies are nothing more than investment BANKS (in layman's terms, these company's are legalized gambling, their actuarial tables demonstrate the metrics of their scam.

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Healthcare should be a right though, why shouldnt it.

In Canada its a right as it should be. What an @$$hat that Wamp guy is very ignorant. Even in Cuba and Costa Rica its a right.

The government would rather spend them billions on war and weapons instead of the health of its own people.

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Originally posted by Angry Danish
Where in the Constitution does it say we have to obey the UN? Nowhere. This argument means absolutely nothing.

Well, if the States go down the economic toilet and we are repackaged as the NAU, with an Amero... What has the Constitution to do with it? A "higher authority" will be established, and George W. will have been right.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by skeptic1 Healthcare is not a right. It never has been.

I honestly don't know where the sense of entitlement in this country has come from...It is sad that so many now feel entitled to things that prior generations have worked hard to earn and afford.

Universal Health Care is a mark of a civilized society, and taxes are the price one pays for civilization. In my opinion, anything else less is barbarism.

Barbarism you say?

Let's look at England for an example of your free health care and I'll show you examples of Barbarism, as was explained to me by Mark Levine on his talk show yesterday by himself during one of his visits to England.

He said that he stepped into one of the hospitals to get money from an ATM and noticed a very long line of people. So he returned to his cab and asked the cabbie what those people were in line for. The cabbie said that's how it works - when you go to the hospital you get in a queue. At the end of the queue they determine what kind of medical care you need and then you go to a waiting room or what-not. He said those people standing in a queue can be there with a broken arm or bleeding finger or worse. And oftentimes they will wait in that queue for hours!

Also, one of his callers responded to that account with his own account saying that his father, in London, was sick and so they called a doctor. They had to wait four days for a doctor to make a housecall and determine if he should be admitted to a hospital. His father was admitted and went to a giant ward that reminded him of the 1920's. There were so many people and too few staff that his father never saw anyone after being admitted. The caller finally said that he withdrew his father from the ward and flew him to the U.S. to receive real health care.

That's what you get with Universal/Free health care. That, sir, is barbarism! Is that what you want to happen to this country? You want huge lines, understaffed hospitals and decades-old conditions just to satisfy your idealism?

What we have here in America isn't perfect, but it's the best health care in the world.

Why does everything have to be looked at as: Either - Or?

I support basic needs for everyone. That does not mean I support welfare or a free home or free Top Notch medical care.

Basic means basic. There's lots of open land out here in the desert which could house many people in tents.

Basic: if the only free healthy care available is standing in line for 4 hours - - then I'm willing to stand in line.

How does that mean - - for those who can afford to pay for better - can't get better?

I don't see why doctors and med students can't be required to spend a certain amount of time in Free Clinics - - - and also have a private practice.

I question those who bring up Entitlement.

Originally posted by skeptic1

Why? Isn't expecting the government to provide for you a "sense of entitlement"?

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The Reagans were against Stem Cell research until they felt the need.

Calling something Entitlement - when you have what others don't.

I support basic needs to every human. And I do mean basic. I do not support welfare.

Hah health care is a privilege, I bet that mo-f'er would change his tune real quick if he had to buy stuff like insulin on his own dime. It gets very obvious very fast that big pharmaceutical companies are literally extorting people with their products to live(money for life) when you or someone you know literally needs something from the pharmacy to live but doesn't have insurance.

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Does he consider his salary a privilege or a right? Where does the money for his salary and health insurance come from?

If we as workers, and consumers, all put into the health care system, then yes it will be considered a right for a US citizen to have health care. I would be more than happy to pay into a national health care system if it meant that I would have good health care coverage. We already, via taxes, pay for roads, bridges, schools, police, fire, federal and state salaries, etc, and it is our rights to have these services. Nobody likes to be taxed, but sometimes they are appropriate and can be used to better society. By relying on two types of tax revenue (income and consumer), then everyone puts in and everyone can have health care.

My 2 cents.

Have we progressed or regressed?

Animal = survival of the fittest

Evolved Human = ??????????