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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Cost is part of the issue, I agree. However there is no better solution.
Would you suggest that governments step in to limit the amount a company or doctor can charge for their services?
Because aside from being unconstitutional and immoral (in my opinion), it will also lead to:
a. poorer quality of healthcare- why bother when there's no competition (ie price cap).
b. poorer quality of doctors - why bother with 8 years of school; 8 years of specialization to reach only a paltry income?
c. less research into drugs, fewer breakthroughs etc. For every billion dollar blockbuster that Merck produces, they have 10 failed drugs that cost them tens of millions of dollars.
In essence, the market is finely balanced to take into consideration all those factors. Imposing a dictatorial cap on costs will inevitably lead to a diminished quality of care.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Universal Health Care is a mark of a civilized society, and taxes are the price one pays for civilization. In my opinion, anything else less is barbarism.
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
The majority of doctors go into medicine for a combination of reasons. A decent salary is a major consideration. Any doctor who doesn't care about salary wouldn't be working in the US, they would be working for Medecines Sans Frontieres.
I'm highly offended by your suggestion that the entire healthcare research system is an expensive fraud. I speak from within the industry, and I know the products that we produce save lives. 5-10 years of clincal trials have to take place before a drug can be released to the public.
The market is balanced to take care of what's natural. In nature, the weak die. In a market economy, the poor suffer. Its the natural order of things.
Originally posted by jasonjnelson
The only rights I have, expect, or want have been granted to me by God and the U.S. constitution.
All other demands should be cross referenced against the above list.
Sure, then how do you explain that this logic is no longer working?
I have seen with my own eyes, the kind of perks Dr.'s get for pushing certain drugs. I have seen with my own eyes how Dr.'s are wooed by pharmacuetical companies. I have seen how a Dr. will leave patients sitting for hours waiting for an appointment, while and unexpected drug rep shows up, and suggests going out to lunch.
Originally posted by 44soulslayer That's such a glib phrase... it's actually a cop-out. You're not arguing any factual points, you're just demeaning the other side by inferring that we are uncivilised and barbaric.
I find your collectivist notions of free healthcare unworkable and despicable.
On Jan. 1, the administration of vaccines (in addition to the cost of the vaccine itself) is included in the coverage of Medicare Part D drugs.
In June, House Democrats announce plans to introduce legislation preventing FDA regulation from trumping medical device patients' ability to seek damages under state law.
Washington, June 24, 2008 – Washington's largest lobby, the pharmaceutical industry, racked up another banner year on Capitol Hill in 2007, backed by a record $168 million lobbying effort, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of federal lobbying data. Among the industry's successes: getting two controversial laws extended and thwarting congressional efforts to restrict media ads for prescription drugs.