Social Chaos and The pending Ascendency of Consciousness

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 05:57 PM
We live in interesting times. Is there any doubt? After all, we are lving history at this very moment.

Before I get started, I want one issue to be clear. Everything is interrelated. There is nothing that happens that is not caused by something else. This particular idea has been stylized by chaos theory and quantum physics for decades.

Yet, if one looks at the social structure that has emerged ove the last 3 or 4 centuries would have one think otherwise. Of corse, anyone of any depth knows that this is due to "enlightenment" thinking and the Cartesian-Newtonian mindset.

We live in a society of either/or thnking. Either you're good or bad. Either you're conservative or liberal. Either you're spiritual or materialist, et cetera.

This type of thinking is both detrimental and incorrect. With the complexities of the universe beginning to emerge, it is becoming obvious that things are, by no means, the way we have thought them to be for the last 500 years of history.

Here we are standing on the brink of economic collapse, social disparity and chaos, yet, we are scratching our heads as to why this is the case. What is ironic is that the answer lies in the paradigm which most continue to cling to.

Materialism is much to blame for the current world situation. Stockbrokers and bankers have sold our futures down the proverbial gutter in the name of material gain. They refuse to see the interconnectivity of all things; the "us" has been supplanted by the concept of "me."

As long as we continue down this path, we will have major problems with social order. While knowledge is indeed good, there is no substitute for application. Humanity is not applying what it knows to its social structure at all.

For example, most are pretty convinced of the "Big Bang" theory, yet, we continue to act as if the individuals and enviroment are so different forom us. How can that be when we are made of the same stuff as our neighbors and surroundings?

Here is where things began to go wrong:

The early Christian church rejected Oneness modalism (and Sabellianism) and did not believe that God was unitarian (unipersonal) as Oneness teachers claim, rather they believed that God was multi-personal, triune:
Denial of unity

Until humanity re-awakens to the truth of unity, there will be no peace;there will be no equality; there will be no true love in the carnal mind of man. This is a definite. When all is said and done, there will be no excuses. Humanity will not be able to plead ignorance.

All is not lost. There does indeed seem to be an awakening approaching. Listen to some of the politicans speaking about the current fnancial crisis. I have heard several American politioans make the comment, "America canot solve this problem without the world, and the world cannot solve this problem without America." Hopefully such words are a sign that the blinders are beginning to weaken.

When one looks at the world today, we see chaos in the Middle East, Mexico, Africa and in the economic sector. Some will say, "How can this be a positive sign?" I say, "There is a method to the madness."

You see, humanity will not open its eyes without provocation. There has to be something dramatic happen to make the blind see. That is what is currently happening in our world. Dramatic, detrimental events are occurring in order for man to see the truth.

Now, I have to take a moment to discuss the two bugaboo mindsets which have led to many, if not most, of the problems of our world. (1) Cartesian-Newtonian ideology. (2) Relgious extremism.

Cartesian-Newtonian ideology is gross materialism at its worst. It has absolutely no spiritual basis at all. While both Descartes and Newton claimed to believe in God, they were Deists, which is only a stone's throw away from being athiest.

The Cartesian-Newtonian mindset has both positive and negative aspects. On one hand, we have benefited tremendously from it in regards to technology. On the other hand, it has been detrimental to our sense of worth and purpose.

Cartesian-Newtonian ideology have led people to think that they ARE what they do, have and gain. In a materialistic ideology, our worth is based upon what we own and do for a living. This is the problem with the whole ideology of Newton and Descartes.

Materialistic mindsets tend to minimize, if not totally reject, any form of spiritual beliefs. If you can't see, touch, hear, smell or taste it, then, according to material ideology, it's of no importance.

Now, we live in a socity that, due to this line of thinking, is suffering by atrocious rates of suicides, alcoholism, addiction and a host of other afflictions. Yet, most go happily on as if nothing is wrong.

We live in a society where children essentially raise themselves. Mom and dad are working in order to buy the 35,000 dollar car and 350,000 dollar home.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have religious extremism. This is a problem which is all too evident in our times. Don't believe me? Take a good hard look at what is really going on. Islamic and Christian attempt to rule the world

Religious fanaticism has led to millions of unwarranted deaths and thousands of deceits. Yet, we pretend as if it never happened. I admonish everyone to study thehistory of the crusades, inquisition, "witch" hunt, et cetera. If you come away looking at fanaticism and so-called "devotion" in the same light, you are blind.

So, one may ask what it all means. Well, in reality, we have a choice. We can either choose to ignore the truth of unity and travel a perilous road. Or, conversely, we can awaken to the truth and approach a future beyond your wildest dreams. The choice is ours. I admonish all to make the right one.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 07:35 PM
Wow. This is all I can say to this post. It speaks to me on so many levels. We are going to wake up. I know I am not going to be confused and fearful when the bankers try to impose more fear upon us to control. I have a clear vision, and I know the human race will become conscious of what is real and what is false in the next few years.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:31 PM
Sh1fty, I think you are right. As I said in my post, I have seen some change in people. For many years I wondered if people would ever wake up, but I think they are starting to.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:21 PM
I can't believe anyone else hasn't replied yet. This to me is one of the most important posts to ever be on these forums.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:27 PM

Originally posted by sh1fty
I can't believe anyone else hasn't replied yet. This to me is one of the most important posts to ever be on these forums.

I appreciate the kind words. A lot of times,Sh1fty, the threads you would think should get a response do not. Most of my threads are quite in-depth and I think a lot of people just don't wish to get that involved.

Also, you have to realize that many times it takes time to get a response. There is a lot of information here at ATS and it moves around quickly. Some more people will respond eventually.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:49 PM
Here is a perfect example of what I am discussing above:

Descartes’ thinking extended out of a pre-existing separation that was, in the European context, already well established in a major way through the Catholic church. All he did was turn it into a science, partly as a means to take over from the Church, in the same way that the bourgeoisie/merchant class, using Cartesian thinking, took over from the aristocracy and began what is now called Capitalism. Present day science, commerce and politics in most of their prevalent forms are deeply rooted in that original (European) institutionalized, Christian church established, separation from the Whole.
Herein lies the problem

Did you catch that? SEPARATION FROM THE WHOLE. This is what Cartisian-Newtonian ideology has accomplished. We break everything down into pieces, rather than looking at the whole situation.

Those who argue for a mechanistic Universe ignore their own breathing, pulsing life, consciousness and awareness in order to do so, using twisting shifts of logic, a sort of logic that cannot really be "argued against,” so to speak, because to do so would be to accept and validate the underlying terms of the argument. It is an argument that insists upon the very nature of the argument itself to be the only means to fact and truth, and dominates simply by its continuing, emphatically maintained existence. Anyone who seeks for the truth in other ways and engages in such arguments will alway and merely justify the argument as valid. Inadvertently, they help the holder of the argument to continue the argument ad-infinitum, an argument that the establishment arguer strongly identifies his very existence with. This, at a basic level, is the primary purpose, to continue on identified as the One thinking such logic, in the continuation of an abiding faith in a fundamentally "egoist" self as being absolutely separate from all of the rest of existence. It is a circular kind of thinking that leads essentially nowhere, that is, always back into separation, with only some occasional change in outer appearances and language.
Too True

[edit on 25-2-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:11 PM
I say WOW as well. Your post rings true to me as well. Just the other day I was just trying to figure out why everyone puts things in to black and white. I guess your "either/or".

I've been trying to find where I fit in because I'm never one or the other I'm all over the place. I see and understand everyone's point of view.

We are all interconnected and it is so simple for me to see but I also cry out and say why can't others see it as well. I guess they are in their safe boxes with blinders on. Is it a choice to ignore the truth of unity or just that they don't realize that they just need to open the door in front of them.

They say that a person sometimes has to hit rock bottem to finally wake up and pick themselves up and begin anew. Maybe that's what humanity needs to do. Somehow I feel that this has happened before.

Your post is pretty deep and I'm not sure I can keep up but am glad to learn from what I read here. I'm new to posting but have been reading for about 3 years...I recognize your name and usually pay attention to what you have to say.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:53 PM
An amazing post.

It makes me feel less alone in my world view. We have been living this lie for so long, and it is deeply ingrained. Severe a man from his money?..but how? Every culture has felt the effects of our unyielding financial and ideological oppression. The thing about it is that it is self-impossed. I tell people that I think money is an illusion and they laugh. They can't even see its grip. I tell people I believe in enlightenment and they think I am crazy.

There is going to be a change, and I think you are right, it has to be BIG for people to awaken from the slumber "greed v. poverty" has cast upon them. It is all they know, it is all most know. To recognize the truth of your post is to recognize one's part in it, and that is a demanding task, even for open-minded people. For if you see your own part, you will either raise your own conscienceness or be forced to admit that you don't care, (what we are conditioned to do).

That is why there aren't alot of replys. Thanks for the insight, I took a few notes.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 09:18 AM
reply to post by PerpetualSeeker

Perpetual,I deeply appreciate the kind words. The way that I look at it, if I can get just a few people to open up to what I am trying to say, I have been successful.

I try to make threads that make people think. I will say this, many times I am fairly steadfast to what I believe. Perhaps that's why many of my threads do not get as many responses as some. You know how people are, "Oh, he's not going to flex in his opinion, why even bother." What people need to know is that I see both sides of the coin.

That's like the idea of globalization. I have said many times that on the surface it sound like a great idea, but if one examines it, it becomes clear that it too has its pitfalls.

Anyway, God bless, and thank you once again.

[edit on 26-2-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 09:20 AM
reply to post by Torsion girl

Thank you, Torsion girl.

It is true that this world is very taken by greed. That greed is what has caused the current economic problems in this world. What is amazing to me is that some people want to continue upon the path that we are on. I think it is sad.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 10:54 AM
You’re welcome,

I have also thought that the idea of a Global community is a good idea but I feel that it will never work as long as there are people in this world who are only after power and control.

I’m constantly debating myself about these ideas such as everyone living for the betterment of others…couldn’t that end up helping everyone? I guess this whole talk about socialism keeps these thoughts in my mind. First I think well yea that sounds all good and cheery….but then it could never work until everyone wants to do it and that will never happen. Each individual person has to ultimately choose for themselves…from the heart.

I’m sorry if I’m rambling or not making much sense. This is why I don’t think I’ll post much…there are so many others on here that can express what I’m thinking so much better. Plus I’m not here to change anyone’s opinion. I come here to hear what others think…I learn that way. It helps to open up my mind to other thoughts and possibilities.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:03 AM
reply to post by PerpetualSeeker

Well, the biggest fear that I have about a "global community" is contained within what you said. I fear that there would be a power grab. To me, the biggest threat of a "global community" is that it would leave the proverbial doors wide open to a "one world dictator."

Like you said, until everyone is ready for sucha system, it will never work.

Honestly, in regards to religion, I think the Ba'hai faith probably comes the closest to what the world needs.

The Bahai religion stands for:
Independent search of truth
Oneness of the human race
Unity of Religion
Harmony of science and religion
Equality of the sexes
Compulsory education
A universal language
Abolition of extreme wealth and poverty
Universal Peace
Elimination of prejudice of all kinds
Independent investigation of truth
The essential harmony of science and religion
The common foundation of all religions
Universal compulsory education
A spiritual solution to the economic problem

Basically Unitarianism

In a "one world" system, it would probably be the only religion to adapt. The dualistic religions of Judaism,Christianity and Islam wouldn't be likely to survive in such a system.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:50 AM
Of course you are welcome, thank you for being prolific. The deeper levels of interconnectedness are being felt by many, and this deep "cosmic knowledge" will one day be impossible to deny. There is much to be sad about when we look at the way religion has been used to divide us when the TRUTH is unity.

I struggle (daily) with the duality between the world in which I live, and the world I believe exists in enlightened connectedness. People are polarized and stiff, and this prevents awakening. Current trends in "globalization" address the ecomomy, and little attention is being paid to the globalization of consciousness.

I have turned to science as a means of explanation. I'm not sure where all of the information is leading, but I do think it is possible that the path to unity/enlightenment (or rather the return to unity), may be found in genetics. If you know anything about this, please u2u me. Thanks, I will pay close attention to what you write. I am new here, and you are appropriatly called "scholar".

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:51 AM
I’ve only briefly looked into the Ba’hai religion several years ago. I’ll follow your link and look into it again as it does appeal to me.

My problem is that I see truth in many of the religions as well as most of the spiritual books that I read and just can’t see a world religion because of this. But that may be because when I hear the term world religion I can see those in charge pushing one of the three main ones on us. I like to search and find out the truth within me as opposed to someone telling me what to think.

But I see your point and agree that if there was to be one the Ba’hai seems to fit the best. Looking at the list it does promote independent search as well as a common foundation of all religions. Everything else looks good as well. Thanks for the link.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:07 PM
Your ability to see the truth of many religions is exactly the point of unity. It is the willingness to accept that there is validity in everything, and that it is really all the same, (specific dogmas set aside). The limitations of religion will eventually fail because of a rise in spirituality. Many don't yet recognize the difference. Spirituality is void of hate, judgment, injustice, and oppression, while religion is not.

When I was studding world religions, I was always asking myself: "What is wrong with believing this or that?" and I came to believe there is nothing wrong with believing the underlying UNITY themes of most all religions. This is the way in which common ground can be found.

The worst of it is when religion is used as a tool by man to enslave spirituality, and that must and will end. I am very taken in by this post.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:08 PM
reply to post by Torsion girl

Honestly, I have to plead ignorance in the study of genetics. I know that our genetics are being highly manipulated by the powers that be. I actually posted a thread about it not too long ago. Here is a link: Genetic manipulation is an effort to save us?

I know enough about it to know that the view of it, as of everything else, is beginning to change. However, aside of that, I really do not know much about it, but I'd be interested in hearing your views on it.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:12 PM
reply to post by Torsion girl

Certainly. Anytime someone starts talking about a "world religion," the red flags go up for me as well. However, I think that if there were to be one, the Ba'hai faith would be the best fit.

Christianity, in principle, is great. However, like all of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity has been manipulated by the powers that be. Look at Islam. Today's Islam has very little in common with the Islam of the Spanish Moors. Modern day Christianity looks nothing like first century Christianity. It certainly doesn't resemble the faith of the church founders like Origen, et cetera.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:17 PM
Torsion, as I stated, I appreciate the fact that you are drawn to this concept.

Religion is an issue that I have mixed feelings about. I really do not "hate" any religion. I think all of them have a point. I shiver at the thought of what this world would be like without them, honestly.

With that being said, I think it is dogmatism that I rally against. Honestly,I don't need to go to a church, synagogue or mosque and be told what to believe. That is a decision that I, and everyone else, can make on their own.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:21 PM
I agree that the ideas and the root of Ba'hai are in the same vein as global consciousness, but I think global consciousness is and maybe must be a nameless unity to facilitate embrace.

Regarding the DNA, genetic research I am into right now, well, it is increasingly difficult to summarize concisely. The basic idea is that 1)our genetic pattern is constantly changing to reflect WHO, not just WHAT, we are, 2)we don't see this because we are examining a momment in time, 3)what is now being reffered to as genetic "mutation" could be cousiousness evolution, and 4) this could extend to the interconnectedness you and I seem to agree on.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:27 PM
Here is another tidbit of information that points out the problem with the Cartesian-Newtonian worldview:

In The Myth of Analysis, James Hillman laments the ascendency in the West of "Apollonic consciousness," the monolithic worship of light, and reason, and unity, which have made "the elevation of the female principle and a new psychic recognition of female physicality seem structurally impossible." At this stage in our history, according to Hillman, we find ourselves "driven to repeat the same misogynist views, century after century, because of its archetypal base." Indeed, "There must be recurrent misogyny presented with scientific justification because the positivism of the scientific approach is informed by Apollo." And so it will continue to be

Until the structure of the consciousness itself and what we consider to be "conscious" change into another archetypal vision or way of being-in-the-world, man's image of female inferiority and disbalanced coniunctio in every sphere of action will continue. Until the male Weltanschauung moves, until Maria returns to Eve and Eve to Adam; until Maria assumes with her body and within man's body a place in consciousness itself, shedding the abysmal and the only passionate; until the coniunctio affects consciousness itself; until another archetypal structure of our cosmos informs our view of things and our vision of what it is "to be conscious" with another spirit, we shall remain endlessly repeating and helplessly confirming with ever more subtle scientific observation our misogynist fantasies of the male-female vision.
Susan Griffin's Woman and Nature not only dismantles and exposes Apollonic consciousness for what it is; it offers us as well a glimpse of another "vision of what it is 'to be conscious.'"
Cartesian consciousness is, of course, Apollonic consciousness' modern manifestation. And Descartes' voice is one of the loudest in the patriarchy's cumulative drone. How to silence it?

Obviously, we do live ina very patriarchical society. This type of society has been paraded around by both religion and science. Fortunately, with the decline of dualistic thinking, this is also beginning to desolve.

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