US Navy, Department Of Defense And Environmental Impact Study, page 2

reply to post by dodadoom

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I agree that those of us who are able to speak out have a duty to do so, that the military is trapped and cannot. Many of them are on their third tours, can't escape, would give anything to get out. The soldiers are being taken full advantage of by people who have no regard for their lives or welfare. When they get back and are sick and shellshocked they don't get proper care, their illnesses are pooh poohed away, and now they are told they can't even own a gun because they were in the military and probably have PTSD.

In fact, anybody who goes to the doctor, every single detail of every visit is loaded into a central computer. All that data is available to the government to build a case against people for any number of reasons -- imprisonment, denial of the right to own a gun, to frame them for a crime, anything.

If you want to be put on the "no gun" list, join the military. When you get out, you will be denied the right to own a gun, put on the "no gun" list.

The psychos that enjoy killing, they do just fine, get to come back and get a job as police psychocop.

A corrupt government needs a corrupt military and police force to back it up, per Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and now the U.S.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
Real sonar kills marine life, especially whales, also other larger fish that people need for food.

It doesn't necessarily kill, but it can harm them. Thus the reason the Navy takes safety precautions:

EIS: Resource Section 9: Marine Mammals
The extensive set of protective measures avoids, minimizes, and reduces potential adverse effects of
surface, air, and subsurface training and testing activities on marine mammals. In general the protective
measures include:

• Training personnel (watchstanders) to detect and report the presence of marine mammals so that activities can be stopped or altered to prevent conflicts or injuries.
• Conducting pre-training site surveys to detect and clear training areas of marine mammals that might be affected by activities before training activities are initiated.
• Adjusting sonar emission and operating procedures to avoid damage to susceptible marine mammals when they are detected in the vicinity of naval activities.
• Adjusting vessel, bombing, aircraft, and underwater detonation activities when marine mammals are known to be present in the area or when their presence is detected during a training exercise.
• Maintaining protective buffer zones around ships and other vessels when marine mammals are known to be present or when they are detected within established distances of ships and sonar exercises.
• Maintaining marine mammal exclusion zones around training areas that involve underwater detonations.
• Coordinating with NMFS before, during, and after major training exercises and reporting incidences that may have involved marine mammals.

That's on page 3.9-87.

Originally posted by Jenna

That's on page 3.9-87.

Did you get a chance to watch the section in AJ's Road to Tyranny documentary yet? Start at 1.15, catch the last 45 minutes.


Candid documentary footage of actual Marines practicing rounding up Americans for camps, invading homes, other "exercises," near Austin, Texas. Interviews with police chiefs regarding permission gained or not gained to do this and whether populace was told it was "just a drill" or left to think they were being invaded by black helicopters.

Anybody who hasn't seen this is missing the best study on this subject that's probably been done by anybody, ever. The film was made in 2002, and I'm sure things must be way worse now. It's scary and shocking enough just to see how it was then. Alex is not ranting, not hollering. It is a very serious documentary, crammed with information and facts, all proved.

reply to post by Salt of the Earth

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Yes I did.

1. Project Megiddo - A report about the turn of the millenium and what extremist groups may have reacted violently. Christianity was included because, hard as it apparently is to believe, there are Christian extremists. A fact conveniently overlooked by Jones in favor of causing a response in the viewer.

2. The FEMA class, or whatever it was since it isn't said, at 1:27 - A 12 minute jump from talking about the founding fathers and the British to killing civilians with the latter being given no context whatsoever except Alex Jones' ranting. Who cares about context, or even what they guy was actually talking about during that missing 12 minutes so long as Jones can take one sentence and rant about it.

3. The Patriot Act at 1:29 - Jones apparently didn't read Title 18, Section 2331 that section 802 of the Patriot Act amends.

(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended--
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

The key word you are looking for there is the word "and". All of those must be met before an act is considered domestic terrorism. Not just A, not just B, not just C. All three of them, and for part B, all three subparts must be met. Despite Jones' assertions, jaywalking does not meet parts B or C though it could arguably meet part A. Thus jaywalking is not domestic terrorism, nor would it be considered such.

4. Operation Last Dance at 1:32 - I cannot find anything from any news source about it aside from WND or forums that use WND as a source. Does that mean it never happened? No. Does that mean it may not have happened exactly as the article states or as Jones attempts to twist it? Possibly, and in the case of Jones it is highly likely.

The fire, according to the WND article, was an accident caused by a blowtorch, it wasn't set on purpose though Jones would have you believe it was. The police chief claims he was offered money. Does that make it true? No. Could be he is trying to cover his own butt since the citizens were not warned as they should have been? Absolutely and that is most likely the case.

5. Branch Davidian massacre at 1:36 - The police and FBI did not start the fires, the Branch Davidian's did. A quick google search will tell you that.

6. The military training he videoed at ~1:38 there is a woman yelling "I'm an American, take me. Let's go." "I have children I need food." Not once do I hear anyone yelling "don't put me in a camp" or any variation of it as Jones claims. He even says himself that these were paid volunteers.

7. "Marines on Main Street" at 1:40 - Once again, no one but WND reported it. Everyone else uses WND as their source. Again that doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it also doesn't mean that it happened as Jones says.

The Marines set up a checkpoint directly in front of the police station where they posted a sign that read, "Military Checkpoint Ahead." The only cars that were pulled over were those with a special sign in the window indicating they had volunteered to be searched, according to military spokesmen.

And of course Jones says the soldiers he "interviewed" said they were training to take over, but doesn't show him interviewing them. Now does it make sense to you that he records everything BUT him interviewing a soldier that said that when that would be definitive proof that he was right about that particular instance? Doesn't make a bit of sense to me if he is so determined to prove it.



Now I could continue to point out every single instance where he is wrong or is fear-mongering, but that would make for a very long read and likely a very boring one so I will just stop there. Still wondering why I don't believe a word that comes from Jones? It took me less than 45 minutes to watch 20 minutes worth of video and debunk it, all it takes is Google and critical thinking skills.

reply to post by Amaterasu

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And might I point out that us Humans have developed a thing called ear plugs. Just in case your over sensitivity to sounds underwater leads to involuntary acts on a semi-subconscious level.

[edit on 24-2-2009 by WestPoint23]

reply to post by Amaterasu

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Well, if you dont want to be hurt by sonar I dont recommend swimming around carrier battle groups or naval ships.

What I dont get is how this is destruction of life, or like enslavement by the government. Then if a sub gets destroyed by another country everyones like...well they have sonar. The government just had them destroyed because theyre useless. Government doesnt care..so on and so forth. So the militaries basically damned if you do and damned if you dont.

Btw we dont KILL whales with sonar. We mess up their like speech, because it kind of works off the same principle...sort of.

So being in the navy I can safely say to all my friends here on ATS. If you think the sonars going to kill you. Just dont swim around a gigantic gray ship with guns that might be waving an american flag. But if you decide to go that close im sure the sonar will be the least of your worries

Regards

Here's some of my links from another thread,
to validate my earlier post here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Thanks for your interest in this, everyone!
At least they can't poison us all, can they?
Good luck!

[edit on 24-2-2009 by dodadoom]

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