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Originally posted by waynos
It is my belief that the oft reported flying triangles are unmanned drones, be they prototypes for such as X-47 or Polecat etc, or even hitherto unannounced but operational types and that the stories of mysterious propulsion systems and magical properties are just additional layers of mythology that get added in the telling and retelling.
Originally posted by neformore
You make of that what you will. I think you can figure out where I think it came from....
Originally posted by Bobbox1980
Are you going on record then that the Belgium Incident of 1989-1990 was an alien spaceship?
Originally posted by lasthope
reply to post by ShatteredSkies
my god I cant stand this mind block no nothing within the system no nothings that are here they have ships far more advanced than tr3b 20 years ago when you see you engineers here 1000 foot ufos with your limited ideas of engineering saying ;;they cant do that this is et;; you again will be fooled I suppose you will have to all suffer for your stupidity
The Propulsion system includes a large area inside the ship, where ionized particles and isotopes revolve around the center, at a good 60,000 RPM. This is enough to provide a Magnetic Field Distortion, this is very impractical propulsion, because it is very difficult to produce. The system is highly advanced, and I can barely understand it's workings, so I may be wrong on some information.
...They are actually called toroidal plasma magnetic confinement devices or RFP's. Some of the most expensive r&d projects in the world, many billions of dollars... ITER, currently being build to the tune of 7.5+ billion dollars.
Originally posted by danwild6
I know that recently declassified material from Britain suggests that the British believe the US was flying secret craft out of RAF bases leased and operated by the USAF.
EDIT: after reading your reply I still decided to post this even though you already stated as such previously, yeah its Friday
[edit on 9-7-2010 by danwild6]
Originally posted by Bobbox1980
Your post got me thinking. Perhaps Tokamaks are being built to research and improve the interstellar FTL drives in the Naval Space Command's inventory. Perhaps fusion research is a cover story.
It is mentioned in Robert Bussard's wiki entry that when he and fellow fusion researchers were pushing to get government money to fund their research that the Tokamak research was more politically feasible to the DoE (Dept of Energy) than his Polywell research. Bussard implies that this was just the DoE looking for big projects but perhaps they wanted to build Tokamaks for propulsion research and this was why Tokamaks were more politically feasible to the DoE.
Why would the DoE be unwilling to fund the Polywell research to the tune of a couple million per polywell fusor versus being willing to fund tokamak research to the tune of several billion per tokamak? Bussard implied that the tokamak was perceived as less likely to produce usable fusion for power generation than the polywell.
It just does not add up unless the DoE needed a cover story for building tokamaks.
Unfortunately, you are taking what is written on Wikipedia as plain and true gospel, and trying to make it make sense - there is no real evidence that Bussards approach is any better than tokamak research than Bussards own conclusions, and they are fairly well disputed in the industry anyway.
Currently the DoE monopolizes all work in fusion energy. It supports several federally-controlled laboratories (including some at major universities. e.g. Princeton), and rigidly directs all R&D effort in the field. Its program structure and control of resources effectively suppresses all incentive for private work in this field; who will ‘compete’ with the federal government?* Unfortunately, the path followed by the DoE is almost certainly not ever going to give the nation any safe, technically viable, or economically useful fusion power plants or systems.
The DoE commitment to very large fusion concepts (the giant magnetic tokamak) ensures only the need for very large budgets; and that is what the program has been about for the past 15 years - a defense-of-budget program, not a fusion-achievement program. As one of three people who created this program in the early 1970’s (when I was an Assistant Director of the AEC’s Controlled Thermonuclear Reaction Division) I know this to be true; we raised the budget in order to take 20% off the top of the larger funding, to try all of the hopeful new things that the mainline labs would not try.
Each of us left soon thereafter, and the second generation management thought the big program was real: it was not. Ever since then, the ERDA/DoE has rolled Congress to increase and/or continue big-budget support...
Why should the DoE need a cover story for anything? They themselves hold some of the highest classification ratings issued, for everything from fusion research to nuclear weapons research, they do not need cover stories for anything.
I have been off-line or unavailable for over 10 years. My birth name does not have Rothschild on it. My grandmother’s great grandmother was a Rothschild and they were poor farmers in the mid-west. During the development of my book ‘Alien Rapture’, this came up in a conversation. They suggested that I use Rothschild as a selling point. I did not know anything about the Rothschilds or the evil they have done. I seriously regret using the name now. I have never known a Rothschild. Ed Fouche
The TR-3B vehicle's outer coating is reactive to electrical Radar stimulation and can change reflectiveness, radar absorptiveness, and color. This polymer skin, when used in conjunction with the TR-3Bs Electronic Counter Measures and, ECCM, can make the vehicle look like a small aircraft, or a flying cylinder--or even trick radar receivers into falsely detecting a variety of aircraft, no aircraft, or several aircraft at various locations. A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology. Sandia and Livermore laboratories developed the reverse engineered MFD technology. The government will go to any lengths to protect this technology. The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption. The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent. Do not misunderstand. This is not antigravity. Anti-gravity provides a repulsive force that can be used for propulsion. The MFD creates a disruption of the Earth's gravitational field upon the mass within the circular accelerator. The mass of the circular accelerator and all mass within the accelerator, such as the crew capsule, avionics, MFD systems, fuels, crew environmental systems, and the nuclear reactor, are reduced by 89%. This causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet constructed--except, of course, those UFOs we did not build. The TR-3B is a high altitude, stealth, reconnaissance platform with an indefinite loiter time. Once you get it up there at speed, it doesn't take much propulsion to maintain altitude.
At Groom Lake their have been whispered Rumors of a new element that acts as a catalyst to the plasma. With the vehicle mass reduced by 89%, the craft can travel at Mach 9, vertically or horizontally. My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%. The crew of the TR-3B should be able to comfortable take up to 40Gs. The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet--then God knows how fast it can go! The 3 multimode rocket engines mounted under each corner of the craft use hydrogen or methane and oxygen as a propellent. In a liquid oxygen/hydrogen rocket system, 85% of the propellent mass is oxygen. The nuclear thermal rocket engine uses a hydrogen propellent, augmented with oxygen for additional thrust. The reactor heats the liquid hydrogen and injects liquid oxygen in the supersonic nozzle, so that the hydrogen burns concurrently in the liquid oxygen afterburner