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posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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I know there have been a couple of people weigh in on this, but let me just reemphasize the advocation or promotion of illegal activity (i.e. vandalism) is not permitted on ATS. I don't think we'll have another problem on this thread, but let this serve as notice that any further comments advocating vandalism or any other illegal act will be removed, with other possible consequences.

Sorry for the interruption and carry on.




posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
But you should realize that the pagan symbols, the gods and goddessses of paganism require human sacrifice, blood sacrifice, especially of children.


How barbaric! So unlike Judeo-Christianity. Because we all know that Yahweh / Jehovah / El / Allah never once demanded human or blood sacrifice, and certainly never of children...

Fanatics are scary. Especially those who advocate violence, then delude themselves into thinking it's something non-violent (I'm sorry Omega Point, but vandalism is an act of violence. Spin it how you will).

As for God hating the Queen of Heaven, maybe he's just jealous. A little bit of performance anxiety, perhaps...

Jeremiah 44:17-18
We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.

Anyways, what is the history of the building? Was it built to be a shopping mall, or something else that over time was converted into a mall? And when was it built?



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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“God hath remembered her iniquities...with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all” (Revelation 18:7-21).”


In my view, it's already been thrown down, via an awareness of a world system detestable to God. Mystery Babylon - fallen, and once fallen, it can never rise up. The angels of heaven cannot be fooled twice..



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Babylon is the Great Mother of the Pagan Mysteries. Crowley knew exactly what he was doing when he named the Mother of the Gods "Babalon".

This became Sophia Prunikos, or Achamoth, among certain Gnostics who also knew quite well what it meant. But Babylon itself was only a glyph for the "Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children" (Galatians 4:25)--as Wikipedia, in its own limited way, elucidates:


According to this view, "the great city, Babylon" in Rev. 17:18 which is also "the great city where their Lord was crucified" in Rev 11:8, the earthly Jerusalem is opposed (cf. Acts 8:1, Rev. 2:9-10,3:9) to the spiritual, heavenly, new Jerusalem, which is the Christian Church of the faithful of Jesus (the bride): "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev 21:2)

Now, that Jerusalem was seen as a mother is evinced in Galatians 4:26--"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

[edit on 21-2-2009 by Eleleth]



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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The symbols around the border clockwise. The plaque identifying her as Semirimis is at 12 o'clock.



























The inside feature glass inside the border with symbols, and around Semirimis. Close ups are again clockwise from top left corner. last picture is the central picture.














posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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I would like to point out that this piece is in Canada. The inside features of the piece depict maple leaves and pine cones I'm pretty sure. The central symbol is not one I could classify that way.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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This is the mall where the glass is.

The picture of the mall with the escalators in it is taken from the second floor and was probably taken only about 10-20 meters away from this stain glass piece.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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To answer the question about the building and what was there previously.

This building is on one of the oldest streets in Calgary, the Stephen Avenue.

The original building burned down, and the next set of buidlings was built in Sandstone. The sandstone building that was there is not one that I know but I'll see if I can dig it up from somewhere.

Calgary is not a very old city. The Fort that founded the North West Mounted Police enclave that became Calgary was started in 1875.

All of Canada is based on a corporation. This is acknowledged, but kind of glossed over in our history. The building for this founding corporation is part of the same +15 skywalk and is about 2 blocks away. (The Hudson Bay Company). The other founding company to settle Canada, and specifically drove the creation of Stephen Avenue AND started Calgary as a settlement is the Canadian Pacific Railway. If the railway didn't go close to that Fort, the settlement and fort ceased to exist.

The CPR is still around, and the railway runs 2 blocks away. One of the major oil companies that has a building 1 block away and 3 blocks away from this piece is a company that also has its roots in having been the CPR at one time.

The building where the Toronto Dominion Square is was previously the Birks Building built by the Hurst Construction company, which also built Hudson Bay Company's building.

You can find a current (or records of a demolished) Birks Building in almost every major city in Canada. Usually one of the original big building in every city at least west of Thunder Bay.

Hust Construction at the Local Mueseum

This is a registry that list the maker of the stain glass piece as Downey, Donn. Artist reference

I cannot find an online picture of the original Birks Building in Calgary. I'll dig around. I don't know if it looked like the one in Edmonton, Alberta which is the capital city of Alberta and is about 300 km North of Calgary.



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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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AH. Here we go.

Picture of the Birks building is here, along with pictures of the Birks family and Mr.Black.

Demolished Birks Building



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Well yet again it takes a christian to show us all why religion should never of had a chance to take hold of society in the way that it has.....


As far as im concerened the day we abolish religion in some way, shape or form will be a great day for the evolution of mankind....



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 05:55 AM
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See what happens when you read The Two Baylons and/or Babylon Mystery Religion too many times?

Let's have a show of hands to see who is surprised to hear a religious zealot advocate a violent reaction to something that offends his cherished beliefs.

Anyone? Anyone? ....




posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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How about a show of hands for those who percieve,. and rightly so, an abominable and satanic system operative in the world, which opposes the absolute freedom and supremecy of the individual as an active historical participant and causal free will agent of progressive change for the betterment of one and all...?

It is only the occultism of a false religion to which I am opposed, recognizing, that at the leading edge of the tip of the spearhead of authentic leadership, there is a universal controversy regarding the issue of spiritual authority, whereby that which is Godly, Holy, Just, and True can only eminate from one source, which is entirely worthy, and, above all, entirely trustworthy.

I like to think of myself as much a Christian, as a type of Prometheus, and in that sense, I work on behalf of Christ, to steal back from the bound strongman, what rightfully belongs to us all as beloved children of a loving and righteous God, who, as demonstrated through the work of Jesus Christ, was entirely pleased to share His eternal kingdom with all His children. In that sense, when the work is done - we will have moved past the Regligious frame as humanity begins the process of passing through the royal arch (of which Jesus Christ himself is the keystone), into everlasting freedom.


Babylon has fallen! The angels of the heavens are not fooled twice. And if you find that you are on the wrong side of the universal equation of the light of love of God of the highest, if you've been involved in the occult of Isis/Osiris and Horus, then for God's sake repent, leave the tree of the knowledge of good and evil behind, and live under grace, drinking freely of the water of life. In Christ is summed up the whole mystery of God revealed to man, and the treasure is his love. Everything else is discarded and thrown away as perishable.

Perfect freedom is the freedom to love, and it is for freedom that Christ set us free.

I am not a religious zealot. I'm a philosopher, and a seeker of truth and light.

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back on topic - so what do all those symbols mean, and what precisely do they signify? I know what the pinecone is about..


[edit on 22-2-2009 by OmegaPoint]



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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I haven't the slightest clue what the symbols mean....but they obviously are meant to have meaning. Castles, crowns, letters, a bale of hay, harp in the form of a woman, and several very odd faces. And in the inside features I think that the central symbol might be a sun.

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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 10:35 PM
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IB in the dictionary, is a latin abbreviation for ibidem meaning in the same place.

E can be a roman symbol for 250, A fifth order in a series, or logic.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
IB in the dictionary, is a latin abbreviation for ibidem meaning in the same place.

E can be a roman symbol for 250, A fifth order in a series, or logic.

I think you are right about those. it appears to me that those symbols are intended to be extremely meaningful. And decoding it is much like smashing it in a way.. Secret esoteric 'knowledge' ought to be brought out into the light of day. The "keepers of the flame" dropped the ball and no longer possess the power.

Good work! Very interesting..

I think the pinecone and the one below it (what you've described as representing the sun) are in fact brain structures, the pinecone representing the pineal gland, and the other, I think represents not the sun, but a neuron (or spark of enlightenment). And I think the maple leaf is to be regarded in terms of its internal structure, revealing either a sword, or, a downward plunging bird-like or angelic type figure. Of course it also shows the Phi Ratio, and a trinity.

Edit: After further consideration regarding the leaf, yes, I think it's internal structure is the symbol, and that it goes with the other interpretations, and in fact represents the central nervous system. And that's how these occult esoteric symbols function, the intention being to possess the body with their "light", the fundamental problem being what resides at the apex of their "light cone".

And yes, these things piss God off because he's a jealous God, being a God of love wholly worthy of love. They are a type of short circuit terminating at an imposter, or an alternate God, in this case the "Queen of Babylon" aka Whore of Babylon aka Queen of Heaven, or in the case of Isis/Osiris-Horus, the Egyptian trinity. They are all a form of idolatry in violation of the first and greatest commandment of love God above all, having no other Gods before Him.


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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 04:39 AM
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Perhaps it is your use of such cliche riddled purple prose that makes me hear a huckster fire and brimstone tent evangelist rather than a "seeker" - which would give us common ground - though a seeker would be less certain that he has "found."

But, hey, I'm new here and don't know you well enough to conclude anything yet.

I'm afraid I have to put biblical conspiracism in the catagory of "occultism of a false religion" (though the whole idea implies that there is a "true" religion, which I find doubtful in the sense of a "true" creed or dogma) if I apply the same level of healthy skepticism I would to any claim of secret knowledge. Especially secret knowledge gleaned from a religious text or leader claiming divine inspiration or revelation.


I encourage any who might be reading this out of curiosity to apply their critical thinking skills and abilities to it. Start with the basic principle of Occam's Razor

If you'e already a true believer, be well and harm no one.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
But you should realize that the pagan symbols, the gods and goddessses of paganism require human sacrifice, blood sacrifice, especially of children.



This, as a generalization, is untrue. There were plenty of pagan cultures that did not engage in human sacrifice. In fact, most did not. This includes Greece, Egypt, Rome, and Babylon, all of whom were much more civilized cultures than many of the so-called "monotheistic" societies of today.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by OmegaPoint


And yes, these things piss God off because he's a jealous God..... They are a type of short circuit terminating at an imposter, or an alternate God, in this case the "Queen of Babylon" aka Whore of Babylon aka Queen of Heaven, or in the case of Isis/Osiris-Horus, the Egyptian trinity. They are all a form of idolatry in violation of the first and greatest commandment of love God above all, having no other Gods before Him.



Let it be noted here that you are speaking of *your* concept of God, not mine, and not everybody else's. My God is not "jealous", because jealousy is a human emotion, and one of frailty and negativity. My God is above such things, and is not as a child having a temper tantrum.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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Well said, ML!

You took the words right out of my mouth...



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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The pinecone and the maple leaf are probably just references to Canada. I think that you are off the garden path with those. The only one of those that stands out as not being a symbolic link to a Canadian-linked symbol is that central one.

The border symbols are either a sentence or are telling a story. That seems pretty clear to me. If we can figure out what each picture is supposed to be, then we can put the story together.

Anyone (who is obviously not constrained by some oath to not say anything about it if they did) recognize any of these symbols?






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