Buried in the New Stimulus Package... (Uh Oh)

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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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I had predicted back before the election that Barrack Obama would be George Bush on steroids!

It's pretty sad when even members of Congress aren't given time to digest what they are too be voting on.

Based on Rep. Kanjorski's revelations back on the 29th of January regarding the days leading up to the first bailout it is clear that a lot of legislators are afraid not to vote for these packages for fear the banking system will collapse.

Of course it is the banksters who are terrorizing the representatives into believing that, as most honest representatives will admitt they have no real idea of how the complex financial system works because it is so confusing in how it is laid out and presented.

With the democrats equally excited at the prospects of at possibly fixing a problem versus adding to it, and little to loose themselves in the trying it does look like the Stimulus packages have become the vehicle of choice for the banksters to increase our indebtedness and usher in more social and technological controls over us the collateral.

As long as the majority are willing to play by their rules, how and why could anything change for the better? It can only change for the worse.

If I were a W-4 wage earner now would be about the time I would tell my employer my exemption status has changed to about an 11 or 12.

Of course adopting a few starving Asians or Africans to have as dependents would be required. I would never advocate anyone break the rules


Don't feed the beast!




posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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One of the things I've read is that it's not just American jobs that have been exported but also American cash. So my understanding is that America has cash flow issues. Oh there's a lot of cash out there. It just isn't here in the U.S..
This might explain some of the need for the stimulus plan. Just a guess. Either way, I think America is just going to turn out to be just a big Ponzi scheme eventually.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:07 PM
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Yes the USA government is a Big Ponzi scheme. It started when they passed the Social Security Act. They never planned on people living so damn long after they retired.
If you are 30 or younger don't plan on it being there when you retire.

The whole country is screwed.

BTW...
National Guard Armories and Reserve Centers are all called Operational Readiness Centers now. I found that interesting.
Does anyone know what company has the nationwide contract to maintain all the Army and Guard Operational Readiness Centers?

KBR.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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ive been saying it over and over again 2009 is gonna be a year for the history books. this is just the start. hold on its gonna be a wild ride.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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It all depends on what aspects of the national guard bases are being serviced. Medical aspects of Army national guard bases are controlled by USAMMA (US Army Medical Maitenance Agency) dunno about other aspects



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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They have to add that provision so if you sign a waiver of medical release to another dr, Employer, Military or so on they will be allowed.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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i am read ng in glp that the gun control hr 45 is also in the bill.can anyone verify this



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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This #@$@&^^#@ is %^#@*%*&^@ing insane. But I'm not surprised, its just another fascist black booted power grabbing bill to beef up big brother...



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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Yes the USA government is a Big Ponzi scheme. It started when they passed the Social Security Act. They never planned on people living so damn long after they retired. If you are 30 or younger don't plan on it being there when you retire. The whole country is screwed.


I've posted this on other threads, but it's worth repeating for those that have not seen it.
This "Stimulus" Bill is a trojan horse. One of the dirty little secrets regarding this bill is that it is stealing funds from the social security fund.
The $400.00 that each worker gets in tax credits is actually an elimination of the 6.2% social security tax on the first $6,500 of your income. This reduced social security tax is for two years. Social Security was supposed to go into the red around 2016. It will now go negative much earlier. This was planned, as the government knows that they cannot continue to pay out social security with a dwindling workforce, so they are going to break it sooner, so that they can then say they need to increase the retirement age, increase the tax, and decrease the payments to recipients. They don't have the guts to face this situation now, so they are forcing the issue.

Here are some additional items not listed by the OP:
www.nbcnewyork.com...

Under the provisions in the stimulus bill, states will once again be paid a bounty for expanding their welfare rolls. As reported by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, the federal government will now pay states 80 percent of the cost for each new family they sign up for welfare. That means that states will get $4 for every $1 they spend. This will leave the main welfare program, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), with a funding mechanism similar to the one that supports Medicaid. As Brian Blase argues here, Medicaid’s funding ratio, which gives states $1 to $3 for every dollar they spend, has caused state Medicaid spending to skyrocket. If Medicaid’s dollar-for-dollar model has proved ruinous, Obama’s new $4-to-$1 ratio for welfare will prove, in all likelihood, four times so.

More welfare, LESS work. And Obama said that this bill would help CREATE jobs? Jsut the opposite. This bill ENCOURAGES people to go on WELFARE.

The item mentioned by the OP concerning healthcare does more than open up medical records:


One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”


Let me put that in simple English(something the writers of the bill didn't do, because they don't want you to know what is really going on:

The government will decide WHETHER your life is worth saving, versus what it will cost to save your life. People will be reduced to a pure economic investment. If you're young, and capable of contributing to the wonderful socialist state, then you can have the health care procedure your doctor wants. On the other hand, if you are retired, and not contributing to the socialist state economically, you can die. I am not exaggerating. This is EXACTLY what Daschle talked about in his book.

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The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.



Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.


In plain English, let the elderly die. Of course, Daschle and his crooks get to decide who lives and who dies. I'm sure that if you contributed to the right election campaigns, you'll be allowed to live.

This is the beginning of the "Brave New World".

This is one person that will not go silently into the night.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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Army Readiness Centers have been under construction across the nation for the past few years. They are basically meeting and training buildings. Nothing new here except they seem to be ramping up the construction time table. This could actually be a good "spending" item in the bill as it will help the construction industry and actually create new jobs.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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and for other purposes.?...........


as if, ..... job preservation and creation, infrastructure investment, energy efficiency and science, assistance to the unemployed, and State and local fiscal stabilization,........ was not enough.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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I found the OFDT also.

www.usdoj.gov...

An Overview

The Office of the Federal Detention Trustee (OFDT) was established in September 2001 by a directive of Congress. OFDT reports directly to the Deputy Attorney General, with a mandate to coordinate detention activities for the Department of Justice (DOJ) and with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

OFDT's oversight of detention management is focused on improving the planning and integration of federal detention capabilities while improving the efficiency and effectiveness of federal detention operations. Given the authority to manage the DOJ's detention resource allocations, OFDT is responsible for the financial management of detention operations as it coordinates with the components of other federal agencies involved in detention. The Trustee's office employs sound strategic planning to improve integration of federal detention capabilities while keeping federal detention standards in focus.

Major Functions

The major functions and responsibilities of the Federal Detention Trustee are to:
  • Direct and coordinate the budget and strategic planning submissions of detention operations to ensure internal consistency and elimination of duplication;
  • Develop, implement, and monitor compliance with Department-wide standards, policies, and procedures;
  • Develop and manage comprehensive statistical and financial databases describing detention activities;
  • Develop and implement strategies to deal with detention "hot spots" and crises;
  • Review existing detention practices and develop alternatives to improve mission efficiency and cost effectiveness; and
  • Integrate existing predictive workload models to develop comprehensive, Department-wide detention planning capabilities.
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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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This is the beginning of the "Brave New World".

There are some that say if you are not living on the edge you are taking up too much space!

Thank you for the very informative post Professor a lot of great information and assesment there. These are truly troubling and disturbing things being legislated.

The Constitution seems to have nothing to do with the concept of governing anymore. If word and understanding of these things truly become known to the masses the bravery needed to address this new world might just be found.

Please keep reading and posting and thankyou!

Big star.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:45 PM
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"Rage, rage against the dying of the light"?
I have been screaming about this for the last year (I'm a contributing editor to useless-knowlege.com) but just to paraphrase Obama, he won. The sheep that make up american population voted him in and now we are all reaping the bitter fruits of their moronic actions



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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The funny part is all that the OP is concerned about has nothing to do with stimulus. I would bet this bill would be 300 billion if all of it was truly economic stimulus.

Is it or just me, in I am pissed if even 1 million of the bill is not totally dedicated to our economic stimulus. I want 100% of it to go that way…am I wrong?

If you want some kind of military/security bill then just create one and name it that way. If you want the save the birdies of San Fran then name a bill that too….

After living all over the world, I have always said nothing compares to America, and I just hope in five years I can still say that.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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Thank you for the very informative post Professor a lot of great information and assesment there. These are truly troubling and disturbing things being legislated. The Constitution seems to have nothing to do with the concept of governing anymore. If word and understanding of these things truly become known to the masses the bravery needed to address this new world might just be found.


Thanks, my friend. I've already taken that analysis, and sent it along to friends and relatives via emails. People need to know what is coming down the pike, and how they are quickly attempting to destroy the Constitution that our Foundling Fathers fought so hard to establish.

People like Daschle are not very far away from Hitler and the Nazis.
I urge everyone to read the following, and then compare it to what Daschle says needs to be done with health care, and compare it to the provisions I stated above regarding government oversight. If this doesn't SCARE you, then you're missing the connections:


In October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled. Code named "Aktion T 4," the Nazi euthanasia program to eliminate "life unworthy of life" at first focused on newborns and very young children. Midwives and doctors were required to register children up to age three who showed symptoms of mental retardation, physical deformity, or other symptoms included on a questionnaire from the Reich Health Ministry. A decision on whether to allow the child to live was then made by three medical experts solely on the basis of the questionnaire, without any examination and without reading any medical records. Each expert placed a + mark in red pencil or - mark in blue pencil under the term "treatment" on a special form. A red plus mark meant a decision to kill the child. A blue minus sign meant a decision against killing. Three plus symbols resulted in a euthanasia warrant being issued and the transfer of the child to a 'Children's Specialty Department' for death by injection or gradual starvation. The decision had to be unanimous. In cases where the decision was not unanimous the child was kept under observation and another attempt would be made to get a unanimous decision. The Nazi euthanasia program quickly expanded to include older disabled children and adults. Hitler's decree of October, 1939, typed on his personal stationary, enlarged "the authority of certain physicians to be designated by name in such manner that persons who, according to human judgment, are incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness, be accorded a mercy death." Questionnaires were then distributed to mental institutions, hospitals and other institutions caring for the chronically ill. Patients had to be reported if they suffered from schizophrenia, epilepsy, senile disorders, therapy resistant paralysis and syphilitic diseases, retardation, encephalitis, Huntington's chorea and other neurological conditions, also those who had been continuously in institutions for at least 5 years, or were criminally insane, or did not posses German citizenship or were not of German or related blood, including Jews, Negroes, and Gypsies. A total of six killing centers were established including the well known psychiatric clinic at Hadamar. The euthanasia program was eventually headed by an SS man named Christian Wirth, a notorious brute with the nickname 'the savage Christian.' At Brandenburg, a former prison was converted into a killing center where the first Nazi experimental gassings took place. The gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms, but were actually hermetically sealed chambers connected by pipes to cylinders of carbon monoxide. Patients were generally drugged before being led naked into the gas chamber. Each killing center included a crematorium where the bodies were taken for disposal. Families were then falsely told the cause of death was medical such as heart failure or pneumonia.


www.historyplace.com...

PEOPLE, REMEMBER, THOSE THAT DON'T LEARN FROM HISTORY'S MISTAKES ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone anymore. I mean, really, is there anyone out there that still thinks that this is a stimulus package? Is there anyone out there that still believes about 'hope' and 'change' and that it would actually be a good thing for the people of this country?
Socialism
Facism
pick your fracking poison!



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
"Rage, rage against the dying of the light"?
I have been screaming about this for the last year (I'm a contributing editor to useless-knowlege.com) but just to paraphrase Obama, he won. The sheep that make up american population voted him in and now we are all reaping the bitter fruits of their moronic actions


To be truly honest with you I have said many times that people have voted not for Bush but against the totally crappy choices the democrats tend to pick.

Well this is the first year since Reagan that I didn't vote at all. For all I had to pick from was a Senator that could not lead himself out of a paper bag and a young two year Senator that if he was white he would have no responsibilities other than to get the senior Senators coffee orders right.

We are so screwed...hehe



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Yeah, um dang, your right.
What does that say about the pathetic state we're in now?



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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People like Daschle are not very far away from Hitler and the Nazis.


I don't think most people understand or are inclined to contemplate how similiar the economic and political circumstances are today to 1930's Europe. Resrources are stretched tight and Darwinian remedies are being studied and implemented in benign ways that most people too distracted in the quest for mere basic sustinance even register.

Denying ignorance is easy. Overcoming it through education is harder. Getting the horse led to water to drink? Sometimes that my friend is the hardest part of all.





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