Buried in the New Stimulus Package... (Uh Oh), page 5

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reply posted on 16-2-2009 @ 04:03 PM by poling2482

"Sec. 1604. None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made
available in this Act may be used by any State or local
government, or any private entity, for any casino or other
gambling establishment, aquarium, zoo, golf course, or
swimming pool

This is to funny, the fact that they have to put this in the bill shows how fall we have fallen.

reply posted on 16-2-2009 @ 06:13 PM by ProfEmeritus

reply to post by poling2482

"Sec. 1604. None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this Act may be used by any State or local government, or any private entity, for any casino or other gambling establishment, aquarium, zoo, golf course, or swimming pool

Notice that it doesn't exclude Houses of Prostitution. I think Eliot Spitzer made sure that wasn't excluded.

reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 03:21 AM by dodadoom

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

Thank you for the reply. Um, I wondered if I would come across as for the bill. I am actually totally against it. I am just saying they gave the last bailout to the bankers with no accountability whatsoever! How bout some for the people or education or the poor or something positive for a change? Or are we really that compassionless as a people? I hope not, as rich as we really are. (We should have NO homeless people whatsoever. We do need to pay for weapons and wars though.)
If they gave that money to US, WE would stimulate the economy! Why do they not do that? It's our money anyway!
If this all doesn't give the people a clue the banks and federal reserve are in charge of this country and have been, nothing ever will and we will continue the downward economic spiral. But here we go with another super banker bailout giveaway to save the day! (it really is like a giant playground)
Geez, you dont have to be an economics major to know there are two ways our dollar could go and neither one is good if we keep this up!(I still think it's all planned)We should welcome a fresh start instead of propping up an antiquated, socialistic and corrupt system. We are doing the exact wrong thing by bailing out the banks! We should be letting the free market decide, NOT THE GOVERNMENT!
What do we not understand here? Socialism? We are not only perpetuating the problem, we are making the inevitable collapse of the dollar MUCH WORSE! Just my opinion, what would I know? I'm not even sure how much a trillion really is....like if I bought a private jet everyday, how long would it take me to go broke?

There are a number of serious problems facing us, economics being only one and that may be the one to break the camels back....

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reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 10:54 AM by truthseeker115

Yes, Readiness is the actual name of the National Guard Facilities. There are full time jobs to allocate Unit Readiness. They make sure the unit and all its componants are accounted for and ready for deployment. They also allocate recruitment and keeping the soldiers in service. The money would be used for equiping and training National Guard Units for transistions to new equipment and/or deployments. I am a National Guard soldier and I know very well a person with this job as a Readiness NCO for an entire battlion.

reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 02:06 PM by ProfEmeritus

There is a great 5 minute video by Howard Davidowitz, chairman of Davidowitz & Associates, who believes American's standard of living is undergoing a "permanent change" - and not for the better as a result of:

* An $8 trillion negative wealth effect from declining home values.
* A $10 trillion negative wealth effect from weakened capital markets.
* A $14 trillion consumer debt load amid "exploding unemployment", leading to "exploding bankruptcies."

Here is the link to the full article and the video:

finance.yahoo.com...

reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 03:37 PM by dodadoom

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

Thanks and star for that!
I hope more people will wake up and realize our votes and voice don't matter. I am sure more people everyday are becoming aware of this
and many already feel the effects of the coming crashola. We demanded last time that the bill not pass but it was forced through under threat.
www.youtube.com...
What I cant believe is all the playground fighting over whos to blame. The repubs blame the dems and vise versa, almost like its planned! Either that or we got some blankety blank people running things!
Love watching George Carlin videos! This one explains alot:
www.youtube.com...
Anyone agree on even one of these points? I hate to kick a dead horse but my word what do people not get? At least the majority on here have an open mind and use common sense and skeptical reasoning.
Thats all we need to start the awakening process. For lack of a better way to put it. We are indeed expected by a civilized society to use our critical thinking skills. Comes in pretty handy when it has to do with money!

Dig your signature, how true it is. Amazing how our forefathers saw the ways our country could fall if we didn't pay attention!!

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reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 05:44 PM by ProfEmeritus

reply to post by dodadoom

We demanded last time that the bill not pass but it was forced through under threat.

A star for you also!
Yes, and in addition, they did the same thing this time, saying that it had to be rushed through, without giving the American taxpayers a real chance to read the bill, and give their Congressional representatives their opinions.
They rush it through on Friday morning, BUT OBAMA GOES ON VACATION UNTIL TUESDAY, AND THEN DOESN'T SIGN IT UNTIL TUESDAY AFTERNOON!!

What the heck! They could have waited until Tuesday to vote, and give us a chance to read it and input our thoughts, but NO, this was an emergency! Some emergency. It say on Obama's desk for 4 DAYS!

They all have total disdain for the American taxpayers. I've had it.

reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 08:58 PM by Bazarocka

Wasn't it the BANKs and Major Financial Instutitions that got us in this Mess

In the 1st place? How did we end up bailing them out anyway?

I think the most simplistic answer would have been to "Bail Out The People".

Give every registered "Tax Paying" and deseving red blooded American citizen a million bucks.

I know everyone wouldn't do this (but never the less they would blow it buying somethig). "Bling-Bling-Rims-ya know what I mean"....

Me: I think the most of us would #1, Pay off our mortgages-(I have 3)
Boom-That crisis taken care of. Easy Yes

#2, I have 2 cars and two Harleys--Id like a new truck or two, dang it, Id invest in one of these new fandangled gaget cars www.boston.com...
Boom the auto crisis settled. "Oh yes----forgot to mention, Id get a couple more nice scoots, "Im geting to old to build um myself".--lol

#3. I have a Boat>...Id like a much bigger boat, maybe 85'. Id like to make my trips in it. :"From Holland to East coast of USA".

Anyway-IMO, All would be Cool "As We Use To Say"

"A literary SHANG-RA-LA" Butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

Thats Not What "THEY WANT" my brothers and sisters.

Live Free and In The Wind "If You Can" Bozzie

reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 09:56 PM by ProfEmeritus

reply to post by Bazarocka

Wasn't it the BANKs and Major Financial Instutitions that got us in this Mess In the 1st place? How did we end up bailing them out anyway? I think the most simplistic answer would have been to "Bail Out The People".

Now stop trying to post things that make sense!

Remember, this is CONGRESS we are talking about. Who said they EVER do anything that makes sense? They do things to help their buddies, and last I checked, you and I weren't on their "buddy list". Well, I know I'm not. Are you?

reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 02:29 AM by dodadoom

I am torn right now. I try to remain hopefull for the good of the "collective", but its really hard.
I have been preparing for the worst and still expect it by the way it's going. Like I say, we're doing the wrong thing by bailing out these companies and banks, however hard it is to lose the jobs. Free market either rules or not. My family remains positive and I try, but I just see too many different things coming at us at once that we are not preparing for. About a year ago(peak oil)I realized this and put my self sufficiency plans in high gear. I guess I am asking if anyone has faith these massive bailouts will work and if so, why I should believe you.
Please let some of that faith rub off!

If the country can't pay it's bills, will the repo man(china,japan,etc)really take our country away?

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reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 10:57 AM by Juggalo2313

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

All countries embrace and are terrorized by socialism at one point, this is common fact most of the time these countries fall apart or sperate into different states, but this will be worse, our gov. has gotten cocky with citizens that are too blind to see whats going on around them or don't want to see it. which I can't blame them, were on a whitch hunt for terrorists, our economy is going down the crapper, and Marshial Law is right around the corner as far as I can tell that will be a last resort coming up shortly but definetly going to happen at some point very soon, but short of the civil war that will follow its declaration, theres nothing we can do and that will only delay the full gov. seizure of power and then its off to the wilderness of a warm foreign climate that has no extradiction. I've known this was coming for a long time so my plans are made and the gov. can kiss my @ss. battle lines are being drawn, and I appolgize if I got off topic (I tend to rant)

reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 12:02 PM by Snisha

I can say with out a doubt that every time I read more of the "emergency stimulus package" I find more items that could be described as "highly suspect" in their validity. In a different thread I point out that I found an appropriation within the bill for $650,000,000 for "Academic Achievement Awards"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 07:39 PM by ProfEmeritus

reply to post by Snisha

In a different thread I point out that I found an appropriation within the bill for $650,000,000 for "Academic Achievement Awards"

That is just another example of how so much was shoved in this bill that has nothing to do with stimulating the economy, or creating jobs. I'm not saying that such awards wouldn't help encourage students to work hard, but it doesn't belong in this bill. Of course, I don't even believe the BILL belonged, period!

reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 08:42 PM by pmbhuntress

I hate to say it but those awards are just printed on plain old paper. What do they need so much money for that for? My kids get them every now and then. In fact my son even got a music award this year just a plain white piece of paper with a foil seal on it. Either that or NC schools are cheap. If they are Obama owes my kids about $5,000 for the past few years worth of awards. No the bill is stupid. Just down right stupid. Fixing the roads is not going to get jobs for people that have been layed off.

reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 08:59 PM by ProfEmeritus

reply to post by pmbhuntress

I hate to say it but those awards are just printed on plain old paper. What do they need so much money for that for? My kids get them every now and then. In fact my son even got a music award this year just a plain white piece of paper with a foil seal on it. Either that or NC schools are cheap. If they are Obama owes my kids about $5,000 for the past few years worth of awards. No the bill is stupid. Just down right stupid. Fixing the roads is not going to get jobs for people that have been layed off.

The Awards they are talking about are cash awards, mostly at a national level.

reply posted on 20-2-2009 @ 03:44 PM by maybereal11

Originally posted by JipStix

Detention Trustee

For an additional amount for ‘Detention Trustee’, $100,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2010.

This one is especially frightening. Detention Trustee? We are giving $ 100 million dollars to a 'Detention Trustee.' Don't tell me this trustee is Blackwater (now called 'Xe'), or some other private security firm contracted to stand guard at 'Detention Centers.'

Again, I'm not entirely sure what this is, does anyone have any idea about this concept or has anyone seen the language before?

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Yah..that bill that Obama wrote all by himself and then pushed through congress..it's going to enslave the white race! Obama is actually a NWO, Bilderberger, Hitler re-incarnted, Muslim manchurian candidate...

...can I join your party? Please give me lots of stars for saying baseless junk about our president.

Well it doesn't seem like anyone is actually answering the Ops questions...just another Obama bash party...

I thought I would do something novel and actually treat your questions like you meant them as more than an excuse to rail on about the President...

"Detention Trustee"
Office of the Federal Detention Trustee (OFDT)

www.usdoj.gov...

www.allgov.com...

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reply posted on 20-2-2009 @ 03:56 PM by maybereal11

Originally posted by JipStix

Military Construction, Army National Guard

For an additional amount for ‘Military Construction, Army National Guard’, $150,000,000 for readiness centers (including construction, acquisition, expansion, rehabilitation, and conversion), to remain available until September 30, 2013: ..............