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U.S. vs. China

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posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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A war against china and the united states .... I think it would depend on who took the offensive first. An offensive attack would severely damage the offensive army. But most people under estimate the might of the united states military, Baghdad bob is a perfect example.

what it will come down to is uhh.... Cold War II.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by iksmodnad]




posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by iksmodnad
A war against china and the united states .... I think it would depend on who took the offensive first. An offensive attack would severely damage the offensive army. But most people under estimate the might of the united states military, Baghdad bob is a perfect example.

what it will come down to is uhh.... Cold War II.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by iksmodnad]


Certainly if more american like "disturbed", USA will not be defeated, it will implode from inside before anybody defeat it. That is for sure.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Series of questions on this nightmare scenario:

1. Can the U.S. invade China in the first place?
2. Are America's technological and firepower advantages helpful in the long run against 1 billion people?
3. How effective would U.S. airpower be?
4. Is it safe to say every Chinese citizen would fight?
5. Can the U.S. hold up against a modern military supported by guerrilla warfare?
6. Any other thoughts?

I think China is one enemy the U.S. will need a miracle to defeat.


I was going to answer this point by point. But the key to defeating China would be food and supplies. Feeding 1 billion people is not an easy thing to do. Feeding and supplying a massive army is not easy either. So in reality a huge population and army would be a negative not a positive.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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during the korean war the chinese launched an attack of over 1 million men at the americans. during tht war there were 36,000 american casualties compared to the chinese estimated 900,000. Whos to say something like this wouldn't happen again. But why would the US attack China.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Then you have to take into the account what started the war. If it was an attack on the US or something US citizens felt needed to be stopped, like the attack on Pearl Harbor, Then i have no doubt the US would win. becuase people would start joining the army and go into a sort of mode like in world war 2.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
You have far higher taxes.

This is capitalism, and it works. Europeans need to learn that, or the EU will never pass America.

It's worth it to get free health care an social security.
Our governments care about us and not about money and that works, USA needs to learn this or it will never win any hearts or minds except by controlling them.


America keeps growing while companies move out of America.

Yeah, you grow and use other countries reasources.



The current state isn't much worse then the state before hand. To say that they're economic problems are just that they're making a switch would be false.

Their economic problems are also fault of the middle man problem and varios other reasons.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Then you have to take into the account what started the war. If it was an attack on the US or something US citizens felt needed to be stopped, like the attack on Pearl Harbor, Then i have no doubt the US would win. becuase people would start joining the army and go into a sort of mode like in world war 2.


I would think most well educated Chinese and American consider each other as friends or as competitor instead of as "enemy". However, Jesus's land people would consider they are going to rule or 'save' other people from hell by the name of god, so, they'd rather think everybody else who are not Christian or cannot enjoy Christian freedom are enemy.

The dump part of America is really going to mass up USA and the world.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Okay here is how I would run the war. I would use the DDX 's electromagnetic guns to bombard there shorelines defense's and then I would use the cruise missiles to bombard major command posts. Blockading China would be one of the Sea Blade class's duty's with it's self defense guns and anti- sub helos it could protect it's self from small attack boat's and enemy subs, in littoral waters. Also accompanying it would be the Sea Lance which would handle bigger threats like destroyers or cruisers, the Seal Lance would be armed with 4 medium range SSM , 51 dual purpose short range SAM/SSM's and 2 30mm mounts with 1200 rounds each.

all do more stuff later right know I'm to lazy to do anymore.
out
blue cell

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posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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I can see one problem with your using the DDX as a support ship, the guns have extreme power but low rate of fire.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
I can see one problem with your using the DDX as a support ship, the guns have extreme power but low rate of fire.


I am not using the DDX as a fire support ship I am using it as a land bombarding ship.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 04:47 PM
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I posted real GDP... which is a closer reflection on actual per head production as opposed to corporate.

You must have your head screwed on wrong if you think the EU is a socialist nanny state.


How about you give your source.

It's not like there aren't as many rich people in all of those other countries. However, you could just look at states. I doubt many corporate heads live in a state like Arkansas, which has a higher GDP per capita then Germany.

Proteinx

war between vietnam and China
please check where is Hanoi.
www.onwar.com...


It's 100 hundred miles from the nearest Chinese troops according to this quote:


About the same time, a separate Chinese force reached the coastal town of Quang Yen, some 100 miles from Hanoi, after several days of fierce fighting against Vietnamese units


That's from your own source. Now here's something else:


The Chinese managed to advance around thirty kilometres into Vietnam, with fighting mainly occurring in the provinces of Cao Bang, Lao Cai, and Lang Son. On March 6 the Chinese declared the punitive mission over, and began withdrawing their forces.


Source - en.wikipedia.org...


Did you realize the whole board start joking about you when you pretend to know anything about WWII? The more you say, the more we know how much IQ you really have. And you claim youself live in New York? Hey, anybody here live in New York? This guy is not only brain washed, but also start doing funny bully talk about himself.


Insults don't count as an argument. This is where you're supposed to put facts to prove me wrong.


nobody in this board think so, poor boy. you really need to see a doctor.


Nobody? I believe a few have agreed with me.

I've proven my point pretty much. Everytime someone mentions a war, I've shown that they had multiple times as many troops as their opponent.

Insults seem to be about all you're capable of.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by blue cell
I am not using the DDX as a fire support ship I am using it as a land bombarding ship.

Which is supporting the landing forces so therefore technically its a support ship...



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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Missle detected , radar off=missle crashes= radar on , plane goes bye bye


God! Dont tell me you dont know how SAMs work?





Yeah one squadron wont win the war, a lot more is 300 planes.



You are beating a dead horse with youre comment after comment of things that wont happen...
Who would send only 1 squadron of F/A-22s when you have MANY going online in the near future? And what's that? F-15 and F-16s from Japan and Korea?






too many bases even for 10 bombers.
Believe me , i've checked and the south coastal area along has an insane number...hang on i posted the number of major bases in another thread a while ago.

I've checked too. A group of 10 B-2s with a few bombs at each runway can take out the entire countries airfirlds with absolutely no sweat...




The fact it shot down a tornado with IFF on and ECM is something....

What?




Yeah a field day in thier urban areas?
OR on the beaches?
No it will be a fire fight the entire way.


I, nor do anyone else understands why you maintain the stance when a few flights of Hornets and Vipers would wipe out their entire tank force within a week.




You cant photograpgh through trees, you cant photograph through clouds.
Also at the angle the satalite is at i dont think it will be able to get all of china.
You cant just redirect every satalite in US control to geosync over china.


Anyone setting anything up under camouflage must be pretty important. When IR, visual, and electronic sensing devices pick those things up you bet youre @ss that they are going to get bombed...




I was saying that some americans think the USAF and USN are unstopppable.
Also why do you think SAM sites are totally immobile??

SAM sites cant run from HARMs coming at them.




I'm sure your proud of the US military and its FF reacord.

That is stupid



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp


Which is supporting the landing forces so therefore technically its a support ship...


darn you devilwasp!! :



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 10:44 PM
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so the resouce shows there are two seperate movement of troops, one is 20 miles from border, one is nearby the capital

Now I argued that Chinese troops approached location near to the capital

You said Chinese troops only got 20 miles from the border.

So, whose argument sounds right. (I assume you have basic math deduce or reason capability)

Now you see I did not insult you, you were insulted by yourself.



[edit on 2-1-2005 by proteinx]



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 11:45 PM
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Now I argued that Chinese troops approached location near to the capital


You said they reached the capital, and they didn't. They didn't even get close. Your own source states it was 100 miles away.


You said Chinese troops only got 20 miles from the border.


I said they made it 25 miles into Vietnam, and I was right.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisRT

God! Dont tell me you dont know how SAMs work?


Sams use radar to find a target do they not?
Missles home in on those radar emisions do they not?




You are beating a dead horse with youre comment after comment of things that wont happen...
Who would send only 1 squadron of F/A-22s when you have MANY going online in the near future? And what's that? F-15 and F-16s from Japan and Korea?


F-15's can be shot down same with F-16's and F-18's.





I've checked too. A group of 10 B-2s with a few bombs at each runway can take out the entire countries airfirlds with absolutely no sweat...

Depends on the size of the country, ten B-2's can wipe out luxumberg but cant wipe out france.




What?

During operation telic (Operation iraqi freedom to you yanks!) a patriot site shot down a tornado aircraft killing both crewmen.



I, nor do anyone else understands why you maintain the stance when a few flights of Hornets and Vipers would wipe out their entire tank force within a week.

Within a week a ground force can move anywhere , the US should know that.
Besides the few flights of hornets can be shot down.




Anyone setting anything up under camouflage must be pretty important. When IR, visual, and electronic sensing devices pick those things up you bet youre @ss that they are going to get bombed...

Takes time to analyse and inerpret data and call in a strike.
Also can you take high definition pictures to withing a metre acuracy AND get the entire of china in?




[edit on 3-1-2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:28 PM
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Depends on the size of the country, ten B-2's can wipe out luxumberg but cant wipe out france.


1 B-2 does the job of 72 conventional bombers.


During operation telic (Operation iraqi freedom to you yanks!) a patriot site shot down a tornado aircraft killing both crewmen.


I think the fact that Iraq, with defenses built by the Chinese and Russians, could only shoot down a single Tornado is very telling of their own capabilities.


Within a week a ground force can move anywhere , the US should know that.
Besides the few flights of hornets can be shot down.


You don't seem to comprehend the fact that before any invasion took place, America would have achieved air superiority. China's air defenses would be gone. Those Hornets would be able to attack anywhere they want.


Takes time to analyse and inerpret data and call in a strike


It doesn't take much time to simply bomb anything suspicious.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
1 B-2 does the job of 72 conventional bombers.

1 b2 carriers 40,000 pounds of bombs, while the B52 carries 70,000 pounds of bombs, now tell me again how they manage to hold 5,250,000 pounds of bombs



I think the fact that Iraq, with defenses built by the Chinese and Russians, could only shoot down a single Tornado is very telling of their own capabilities.

It was the US that shot it down not the iraqis.



You don't seem to comprehend the fact that before any invasion took place, America would have achieved air superiority. China's air defenses would be gone. Those Hornets would be able to attack anywhere they want.

You dont understand how strong thier anti air fores are, they have one of the best anti air screens in the world.



It doesn't take much time to simply bomb anything suspicious.

How do you know where to look?
Just go around shooting anything without the good old red white and blue on it?

[edit on 3-1-2005 by devilwasp]

[edit on 3-1-2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisRT
SAM sites cant run from HARMs coming at them.

Sams can pick up a hortnet comeing, picks up the hornet or its radar and then fires off a missile, they loose a single SAM its nothing they have hundreds.
I dont know much about sams BTW just saying they would help greatly if the US tried to break its way into china.



That is stupid

Yeah the FF reacord is stupid!


[edit on 3-1-2005 by devilwasp]



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