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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 01:53 AM by SiberianTiger
Those sources are just Propaganda to make U..S. think thier better here are the real sources your fellow YANKS have said this is a site run by exKorean Fwar f-86 veterans www.korean-war.com... so if you say this is wrong are you prepared to say that there are Americans who fought in the KOrean war who want to discredit U.S. on puppose cuz they say here the same thing Rus Gov says 1872 sorties flowen by VVS 1106 F-80/84/86's shot down by VVS and "ONLY" 335 MiG 15's shot down by U.S.

[edit on 25-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]


reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 04:26 PM by grunt2
disturbed, well i found a page, take a look www.acepilots.com...
there some references, in that time the comunists 60-70 planes were lost (including chinese and korean)


contradict what you say these are Korean Air war vet who flew F-86's!


maybe youre right ST, in all analisys always the people forget that factor, hmmm... i think that we need an historic review

there more the yalu river area airfields were in fact bombarded by b29 supported with f86


[edit on 25-1-2005 by grunt2]


reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 05:17 PM by Disturbed Deliverer
disturbed, well i found a page, take a look www.acepilots.com...
there some references, in that time the comunists 60-70 planes were lost (including chinese and korean)


You didn't read much, did you? This site talks about Russian pilots lying about the number of planes they shot down:

1. Many Soviet medium and high-ranking officers wanted to gain favour with the Soviet dictator Josif Stalin (well known for killing or deporting Soviet generals who failed in accomplish his wishes), and one way to do so was to inflate the score of the MiG regiments in Korea.
2. The Soviet pilots earn 1,500 additional rubles for every air victory they were credited with. It is quite likely that there were many false claims, just for the money.
3. The gun camera images of the MiG-15 were of such poor quality, that the Russian guncamera analysts decided that if a US plane appeared in a pic, then they would credit a "kill," even when they did not notice shell strikes, smoke, or an ejection.

If we add to such factors the usual overclaiming -in good faith, but overclaiming in the end- of any war, then we can understand why the Soviet 64th IAK claimed the unbelievable figure of 1,106 UN aircraft destroyed in the Korean War. (532 of them in the "Honcho Period," when only 142 Allied aircraft were actually downed by the Soviet MiG-15 pilots). So, many of those scores must be seen with a lot of skepticism, e.g: Mikhail Ponomaryev was credited with 11 kills, but when we analyze the dates of his claims, only 2 matched with admitted US losses! And he is not the only one.


That only counts losses until 1952, as well. You've yet to explain the loss of 300 Russian Mig-15's through 1951-1953.

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