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Originally posted by LeTan
reply to post by RFBurns
Heh, I thought this was a discussion site. I'm just stating what I believe and my opinions and questioning others on their's.
I think if this site or the people here had the power to reach the world as you claim they think they do, we would probably have revolution by tomorrow.
Originally posted by RFBurns
When was the last time any of you have seen a government official who creates laws hang around a conspiracy site, much less a judge or city council or group of personal rights lawyers?
Originally posted by atlasastro
Tezza's response i believe is a warning, pay costs and clean the graffiti off. been there, done that, hence the new laws.
Originally posted by tezzajw
reply to post by RFBurns
Considering that you don't know me, who I am or what I do, for you to assume that I have the time or resources to start a grass roots street campaign to help her is rather ill-informed.
Originally posted by tezzajw
As I have stated before, spreading information on a public forum, such as ATS, is MY WAY of pointing out what's happened to her.
Originally posted by tezzajw
You do it your way, I'll do it my way and other people can do it their way.
Originally posted by tezzajw
As you can see, I've linked to a couple of follow up stories, even the one that supports the court's decision by her own grandmother. Whether or not I can or can't do more is not your business and I don't care to explain to you what I do or why I do it.
It would be great for you to link the posts that discuss how these laws were generated, I know my posts will be there, but you and tezza have yet to explain or argue why these new laws are unjust, not needed and should not be enforced except to just say that. I accept your arguements, but they are old. These LAWS are NEW. Your solutions have been tested. These LAWS are now. Its my arguement that has been ignored while Tezza and yourself only offer out rage and express need for tolerance. I also ask why this issue should ne simplified to this one case when clearly it has much broader implications and intention for the NSW state as a whole. I will accept that you may not have the necessary temprement to see the need to take a broader and more comprehensive look at this situation and that this relegates your focus more on the outrage that has resulted from one incident in our extremely busy local courts that deal with matter like this with alarming regularity with often less harsh sentences.
Originally posted by Kryties
Umm, yes we do! Now you are just making things up! It's just that our solutions differ from yours and you cannot seem to accept that, hence you continue to bring up the same questions attempting to send this argument into an infinite loop so as to hide the fact that you're in over your head here.
[edit on 3/2/2009 by Kryties]
Originally posted by RFBurns
If something is that important to you, you will make the time. Your spending enough of it here that during this time, I could have written a letter, made a few phone calls, and got in touch with a few attourneys to get some advice.
I will grant you that, you are spreading information in a public forum. But thats not all your spreading and makes the key information you are trying to spread biased. Is that your way of doing things?
Originally posted by atlasastro
but you and tezza have yet to explain or argue why these new laws are unjust,
post by tezzajw
Facing up to your actions by apologising, fixing them and paying for them, as positive reinforcement is far better than jail. Remember, atlasastro, she wrote her name on a wall.
Originally posted by RFBurns
but also discuss ways to perhaps change how they punish offenses like this young lady is charged with.
Your answer would have been far more credible had you used a patron of your own country instead of a controversial politician of the USA.
Sorry but that was your choice to pick Ventura.
Originally posted by RFBurns
This might surprise a few members here but I actually think the judgement itself is definately byond the scope of the offense.
What I stand by firmly, is the fact that the law was broken by this individual.
I did not write the law there in Sydney, I just believe that the law should be obeyed and enforced by the legal system.
I can dislike the sentance all day long, but that doesnt change my position on the fact that the law was broken.
Originally posted by Kryties
Originally posted by RFBurns
but also discuss ways to perhaps change how they punish offenses like this young lady is charged with.
Like Tezza said above, we've been trying to do just that for over 16 pages now, and yet we keep getting hung up on the first bit because of armchair judges and basement gods.
Problem: 3 Months jail is extreme disproportionate response.
Solution: Community Service, educational schemes, more areas designed for kids to go and have something to do rather than sit around bored night after night dreaming up things to do themselves. (Hint: This bit is the solutions we have been attempting to say but keep getting caught up in circular arguments by said people above).