Iraqi troops reject Falluja duty

So complicated

"A senior US military officer in Iraq has said that a battalion of the new Iraqi army refused to support US forces in the town of Falluja. "

news.bbc.co.uk...
S.

[Edited on 12-4-2004 by John bull 1]

I saw this reported on the news yesterday and almost fell out of my chair.

Let's see, we go over there and invade thier country, yes I understand that.

Supposedly some of them want us there.

These guys, volunteer for the "new" Iraqi army and police force, but will not go fight... what's wrong with that ..

Our guys are over there fighting everyday and don't give me this we invaded thier country, I know we did, but we're there and we're trying to help them and they won't fight to help themselves...

PULL OUT NOW.. bring all of our troops home !

Forget the rest of that damn country, PULL OUR GUYS OUT AND NUKE THE PLACE>. Arghh.

This is ridiculous.....

Excerpt:

The troops were quoted as saying they had not signed up to fight Iraqis.

What the hell did they join the Armed Forces for then?
What a bunch of babies, everyone that joins knows there is a risk, yet they still sign up. And now that we're at war, nobody wants to do their duty but they still want their paychecks, # that!

Originally posted by 29MV29
This is ridiculous.....

Excerpt:

The troops were quoted as saying they had not signed up to fight Iraqis.

What the hell did they join the Armed Forces for then?
What a bunch of babies, everyone that joins knows there is a risk, yet they still sign up. And now that we're at war, nobody wants to do their duty but they still want their paychecks, # that!

Right, our troops didn't sign up to fight Americans either, but I'd bet that most would not hesitate if called to action on American soil.

Originally posted by elevatedone
Right, our troops didn't sign up to fight Americans either, but I'd bet that most would not hesitate if called to action on American soil.

I'm sure there is a thread about this, I don't remember what it's called, any ideas?

I'd like to reread it......

I don't remember one... but there could be,

try searching and see if you can find it.

Right, our troops didn't sign up to fight Americans either, but I'd bet that most would not hesitate if called to action on American soil.


Remember the oath of enlistment that you took?



I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


That says that members of the military will take up against American citizens if ordered to do so.

That is also why being in the military is not for everyone.

Originally posted by 29MV29
This is ridiculous.....

Excerpt:

The troops were quoted as saying they had not signed up to fight Iraqis.

What the hell did they join the Armed Forces for then?
What a bunch of babies, everyone that joins knows there is a risk, yet they still sign up. And now that we're at war, nobody wants to do their duty but they still want their paychecks, # that!

Yeah 29M,
But, 'the brand new Iraqi Army' are comprised, mostly from
the old B'aath army. And, like the new Iraqi police force they
are coali' trained (despised) and are too smart to start killing their own.
It's tribal.
S.


[Edited on 12-4-2004 by sanctum]

yeah, coolhand, enemies, foriegn and domestic.. but what kind of oath did the Iraqi soldiers have to take ?

"I will fight against only the things and people that we choose and you Americans will have to suffer the losses becuase of this."

It only took me 20 minutes of searching, jeez.....

But this thread is worth it, enjoy...

Link

Originally posted by 29MV29
This is ridiculous.....

Excerpt:

The troops were quoted as saying they had not signed up to fight Iraqis.

What the hell did they join the Armed Forces for then?

Exactly, just where did they think they would be called for duty?

Originally posted by Mycroft

Exactly, just where did they think they would be called for duty?

Maybe they thought they could be stationed at a base similar to Puerto Rico. Is that base still open, I wonder?
Last I heard it was shutdown, but when it impacted their economy, they cried 'foul'.

Originally posted by 29MV29
Maybe they thought they could be stationed at a base similar to Puerto Rico.

I've heard remarks that the Iraqis want everything fixed...yesterday, by us. This is gonna sound bad, but I don't think they want to lift a finger to help, just build schools, houses and shopping centers FOR them.
I've heard remarks that a democracy will never work in that country.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

Originally posted by 29MV29
Maybe they thought they could be stationed at a base similar to Puerto Rico.

I've heard remarks that the Iraqis want everything fixed...yesterday, by us. This is gonna sound bad, but I don't think they want to lift a finger to help, just build schools, houses and shopping centers FOR them.
I've heard remarks that a democracy will never work in that country.

That wouldn't surprise me..

"you Americans, train us to fight, teach us, give us food and money, rebuild our cities.... what, actually go fight, uh no speak english, you go now "

Originally posted by Mycroft

Originally posted by 29MV29
This is ridiculous.....

Excerpt:

The troops were quoted as saying they had not signed up to fight Iraqis.

What the hell did they join the Armed Forces for then?

Exactly, just where did they think they would be called for duty?

For the 'new Iraq'.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Right, our troops didn't sign up to fight Americans either, but I'd bet that most would not hesitate if called to action on American soil.

Remember the oath of enlistment that you took?



I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


That says that members of the military will take up against American citizens if ordered to do so.

That is also why being in the military is not for everyone.

That is different though, in that case you still have your own president and authority. Would you fight your own peoples under command of another country ? With a president that isn't really yours ?





[Edited on 12-4-2004 by TigeriS]

TigeriS -

these are supposed to be the Iraqi people who wanted our help and agreed to it.

They should be fighting right along side the U.S. troops.

It's tribal, as i said. Also, Saddam was a dictator for 35yrs(approx),
and a generation in terms of a lifetime is 33yrs, it ends up a double
whammy. Generation gap(life before saddam), and a
communication gap with the west.
S.

Originally posted by sanctum
It's tribal, as i said. Also, Saddam was a dictator for 35yrs(approx),
and a generation in terms of a lifetime is 33yrs, it ends up a double whammy.

Very good point. If your grow up in an oppressed society, who do you know to thirst for freedom. Sure, some will. You could equate it to welfare in this country. Some better themselves; others are satisfied with their lot in life.

We could say the same for the population of North Korea.

They are assholes. Its their #ry. Why wont they go and fight for themselves???