Iraqi troops reject Falluja duty

well the war is supposed to be over isn't it?

they joined after the coalition declared it to be over, so didn't expect to have to fight. Plus they agree with the resistance, they want the U.S out of Iraq....you may believe the lies that this administration and the media pushes that the resistance is only the view of the minority of iraq....think again.. the majority wants it, they just won't say so, when there are U.S. soldiers with guns and tanks standing right next to them.

Originally posted by TigeriS
That is different though, in that case you still have your own president and authority. Would you fight your own peoples under command of another country ? With a president that isn't really yours ?

Very good questions.
People here are saying they would fight their own countrymen if asked to do so but I really doubt they would do it if the US was invaded by another country who then demanded that the US soldiers assist them in fighting Americans.

Remember though that all of these people have been living in slavery and oppression for the last several hundred years. They know nothing of freedom.

I do have a comparrison for you though. If you look at the Vietnam War you'll find several accouns of ARVN (Army's Republic of Vietnam) would just panic in the face of battle and run in terror from the enemy. American troops don't do that. Why? It's because the American society is the only one of it's kind. This whole country was started because we wanted freedom from oppression and tyranny. Our troops today and in the past have been trained with much discipline to maintain those freedoms. How can we expect other countries who have never even tasted what we have in freedom to fight like we do? The answer is that we cannot. It shouldn't suprise anyone that the Iraqi's who are willing to fight are having a hard go at it. It doesn't mean that they are right for running, cause I believe if you want it bad enough you'll fight for it. But none the less it doesn't suprise me one bit. ARVN did it to us once when we were in Vietnam trying to help those oppressed people and now it's Iraq's turn. That's just what you get for standing up for third world country. They will never know anything more than what they already are and that's nothing.

I thought the use of US military against US citizens on US soil was prevented by the Posse Comitatus Act.

In Iraqi eyes, the Americans are artists of duplicity! So why shouldn't they do the same?! When there was a matter of securing alternative routes to transport Iraq's oil during the Iraq-Iran war, the Americans not only ignored Iraq's use of chemical weapons but Donald Rumsfeld said during his Iraq visit in Baghdad that "the U.S. and Iraq shared many common interests."


"....Soon thereafter, Donald Rumsfeld (who had served in various positions in the Nixon and Ford administrations, including as President Ford's defense secretary, and at this time headed the multinational pharmaceutical company G.D. Searle & Co.) was dispatched to the Middle East as a presidential envoy. His December 1983 tour of regional capitals included Baghdad, where he was to establish "direct contact between an envoy of President Reagan and President Saddam Hussein," while emphasizing "his close relationship" with the president [Document 28]. Rumsfeld met with Saddam, and the two discussed regional issues of mutual interest, shared enmity toward Iran and Syria, and the U.S.'s efforts to find alternative routes to transport Iraq's oil; its facilities in the Persian Gulf had been shut down by Iran, and Iran's ally, Syria, had cut off a pipeline that transported Iraqi oil through its territory. Rumsfeld made no reference to chemical weapons, according to detailed notes on the meeting [Document 31].

Rumsfeld also met with Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz, and the two agreed, "the U.S. and Iraq shared many common interests." Rumsfeld affirmed the Reagan administration's "willingness to do more" regarding the Iran-Iraq war, but "made clear that our efforts to assist were inhibited by certain things that made it difficult for us, citing the use of chemical weapons, possible escalation in the Gulf, and human rights." He then moved on to other U.S. concerns [Document 32]. Later, Rumsfeld was assured by the U.S. interests section that Iraq's leadership had been "extremely pleased" with the visit, and that "Tariq Aziz had gone out of his way to praise Rumsfeld as a person" [Document 36 and Document 37]...."
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