He's the oh so modern version of Neville Chamberlain. Plausible, likeable, and intelligent - but when the poop hits the fan his weakness of character will get you all killed.

Originally posted by MrJelly
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agian you all forget to take responsiblity or even observe nature. Instead you play the BLAME GAME like the masses like to do.

first. lets say I START a group. SO WHAT. it wouldnt work UNLESS there were people who were WILLING TO JOIN THE GROUP and do the horrible DEEDS.

second. no one FORCED the people to join a group started by mossad or cia or whatever. So again, the fault lies with the INDIVIAULS who joined the group.

look, think about it this way....I might be RESPONSIBLE for the bombs created..coz I pay taxes..but I am NOT RESPONSIBLE For the deaths in Iraq coz I DID NOT DROP THEM.
someone willingly CHOSE to DROP THOSE BOMBS>

so yes, those groups could have been started or were started by the CIA. but it takes the individuals to make the group what it is.

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum

Originally posted by MrJelly
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

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agian you all forget to take responsiblity or even observe nature. Instead you play the BLAME GAME like the masses like to do.

first. lets say I START a group. SO WHAT. it wouldnt work UNLESS there were people who were WILLING TO JOIN THE GROUP and do the horrible DEEDS.

second. no one FORCED the people to join a group started by mossad or cia or whatever. So again, the fault lies with the INDIVIAULS who joined the group.

look, think about it this way....I might be RESPONSIBLE for the bombs created..coz I pay taxes..but I am NOT RESPONSIBLE For the deaths in Iraq coz I DID NOT DROP THEM.
someone willingly CHOSE to DROP THOSE BOMBS>

so yes, those groups could have been started or were started by the CIA. but it takes the individuals to make the group what it is.

It is difficult to understand what your point is? Could you revise and extend your comments so you can be addressed

"One who pours it on himself or on others is guilty. Is it possible that even if he poured it on an animal and utensils, and upon Gentiles who are like animals, or poured it on the dead, he is guilty? It is written: 'upon man's flesh it shall not be poured,' this excludes those whom I cannot call men."

"Abraham says: this is one of his opinions, and there is none inferior to it, for the Gentiles are like animals, they don't become impure and cannot defile, 'a people who are like asses,' 'behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket,' and the wind will blow them all away, and one who thinks of them as something [worthwhile] will gather the wind in his fist."

And in Berachot 58a it is stated: "Rav Shila saw a Jew who had sexual relations with a Gentile woman, and he gave him lashes. The Jew went to inform to the king. He said to them: 'There is one Jew who judges without the permission of the king.' The king sent for him and they said: 'Why did you act in such a manner?' Rav Shila answered: 'He had relations with a she-ass.' They asked: 'Do you have a witness?' He answered: 'Yes!' Elijah appeared as a human being and testified. They said: 'If so, his punishment is death.'

. . . . When he was about to leave, that Jew asked him: 'Does G-d perform miracles for liars?' Rav Shila answered: "Wicked one! Didn't I tell the truth? Aren't they called asses? As it is written: 'whose members are like those of asses'."

We have already mentioned the words of the Ra'avad with regards to an animal slaughtered by a Gentile: "for the Gentiles are like animals…and one who thinks of them as something [worthwhile] will gather the wind in his fist." It is clear that this is not a simple Halachic argument merely explaining why he disagrees with Maimonides on matters of Halacha, but rather the expression of an entire outlook concerning the Gentiles.

To the Kuzari king’s question "Why was the Torah not given to all mankind? Would it not have been better or more commensurate with Divine wisdom?" the Rabbi answers: "Would it not have been best if all the animals could speak? You have apparently forgotten what I said earlier concerning the genealogy of Adam's progeny: that at first the spirit of Divine prophecy rested on one person, who was chosen from his brethren, and inherited the merit of his father. It was he in whom the Divine light was concentrated. He was the kernel, while the others were as shells which had no share in that light. Thus it was until the sons of Jacob came, who all were the meritorious kernel, distinguished from all the other people by G-dly qualities, which made them, so to speak, an different genus --an angelic one. Each of them, Divine endeavored to attain the degree of prophecy, most of them succeeded in so doing; even those who were not successful were close to that degree in their pious acts, sanctity, purity, and interaction with the prophets."

So we see that the Jews, because of their special spiritual level, are considered to be a genus different from all the other people.

'You are the children of the Lord, your G-d'." The Maharal wrote in his commentary on Avot, "Derech Chaim," . . . "Even though it says 'Beloved is man,' this does not include all human beings, for Chazal said: 'You are called men and the nations are not called men' -- as though the completeness of the Creation, which is given to man in particular, is given to the Jews and not to the other nations…

In the book "Poked Akarim" page 19, column 3, he wrote: "Concerning what is explained in Yevamot, 'You are called men,' and not the other nations, [the meaning is] that the Gentiles were deprived of the title 'men' only where Israel were called 'men,' because in comparison to Israel, who are the primary form of man in the Divine Chariot, it is irrelevant to call any of the Gentiles 'men'; at most, they are like animals in the form of men. Taken as themselves, however, all the children of Noah are considered men…and when the Messiah comes…they too will recognize and admit that there are none called 'man' except Israel…anyway, in comparison to Israel even now they are in the category of animals…"

In the Tanya chapter 1 (page 5b) it is written: "The explanation of this matter is according to what the Rabbi Chaim Vital OBM wrote…that every Jew, whether he is righteous or wicked, has two souls, as it says, 'And the souls I have made' -- that is, two souls: one soul from the side of the klipa and Satan's camp… also naturally good character traits that are found in every Jew, such as mercifulness and charitable deeds, stem from it, for in the Jew, the soul of this klipa comes from klipat noga which also contains good…

But it is not the case concerning Gentile souls, for they stem from other impure klipot which contain no good…and the second soul of the Jew is surely part of G-d on high…" In the end of chapter 6 it is written: "The klipot are divided into two levels…the lower level consists of three impure and completely evil klipot which contain no good whatsoever…from there the souls of the Gentiles are influenced and drawn, as are the bodies and the souls of all impure animals which are forbidden to eat…

However, the vital animalistic soul in the Jews, which stems from the klipa…and the souls of pure animals, beasts, birds, and fish which are permitted to eat…are influenced and drawn from the second level of the klipot…which is called klipat noga…and the majority of it is evil, combined with a slight amount of good…"

Originally posted by aravoth
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

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Maybe now that everything is falling to apart people will wake up and say "no this isn't what we wanted!!"

Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

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Doctor Paul is a great American, but a lacking diplomat.

I doubt the Palestinians need to see a video of an American standing uninjured in a building speaking English to 434 other Representatives the majority of were not even present about the USA supporting the oppressive government of Israel who they clearly know are actively shooting and bombarding them. They need some help!

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

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I doubt the Palestinians need to see a video of an American standing uninjured in a building speaking English to 434 other Representatives the majority of were not even present about the USA supporting the oppressive government of Israel who they clearly know are actively shooting and bombarding them. They need some help!

Are you kidding? Once enough people saw it, they'd get so mad, they'd throw Hamas right into Israel's lap, Show the entire army the door (politely)- Someone at the UN, or on one of those aid ships would be shown it, and life would get much better much quicker. the IDF wouldnt have a leg to stand on at that point.