Ron Paul: Israel Created Hamas! 1/9/2009, page 5

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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 02:56 AM by NuclearPaul

I absolutely love this guy!

Maybe he should teach others how to speak the truth. He stands out so much because he's probably the only one who does it these days. He genuinely seems to put the interests of the USA first, and not the bankers.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 03:12 AM by Cthulwho

reply to post by Wormwood Squirm

I'm sure the Jews controlling Obama would love that.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 05:37 AM by mike dangerously

When it comes time for re-election for Congress watch how the republicans try to rid themselves of Dr.Paul they have been trying to get him out of Congress for years now.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 05:49 AM by redmage

Originally posted by wdkirk
I love my dog. He gets along well with me. I feed and water him. He plays, he eats, he sleeps, he protects me. One day he became rabid and turned on me and I had to put him down.

The real question is...

Did you purposefully infect your dog with rabies, in the hopes that it would attack someone else more viciously, all the while foolishly thinking that a rabid dog would never bite the hand that feeds it?

That's what the U.S. and Israel have done with their historic propagation of "radical Islam". Trying to equate that to "love" or merely "friendships-gone-sour" seems disingenuous at best.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 06:23 AM by ExamineAllViews

reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

I don't think I worded my previous post well, sorry I will try to be more clear. I have read, and agree that the initial group that has NOW grown into HAMAS was supported and funded by the Israeli government. However, I think it is unfair to suggest that Israel is to blame for the organisation it has become and what is represents.

The OP is implying that Israel set up and aided a fundamental Islamic resistance group, knowing full well their intentions to create trouble. Do you REALLY believe the Israeli government would create and support a group that promotes violence and seeks to destroy its (Israel's) own state?

Not saying the IG is blameless and without fault, but they surely would not do the same knowing the nature and ideals of the current Hamas movement.

Also, people on both sides need to take some responsibility for their actions and stop blaming the opposing side. Peace will only come when ALL parties show tolerance and restraint.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 06:30 AM by jaamaan

Originally posted by ExamineAllViews
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

I think it is unfair to suggest that Israel is to blame for the organisation it has become and what is represents.

I am not saying they did create hammas, but it is for sure possible and it wouldnt be the first time in history tha a state would create its own enemy to fight.
On purpose or by mistake.
Hammas seems to help isreal in their objectives.
Chicken and the egg question ?

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 06:39 AM by ExamineAllViews

You have a point there...although why would a country create an enemy that it cannot control and restrain? It just seems like such a miscalculated and unnecessary risk to take, especially if the group has potential to become more powerful than you can control.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 06:42 AM by blupblup

Originally posted by ExamineAllViews

However, I think it is unfair to suggest that Israel is to blame for the organisation it has become and what is represents.

I am also not too hung up on that, It was more the fact he has the guts to stand up and talk about how bin-laden was an ally and talk about the corruption that exists in the government.

That is something we should ALL applaud.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 07:05 AM by redmage

Originally posted by ExamineAllViews
You have a point there...although why would a country create an enemy that it cannot control and restrain?

My guess is that they saw it as a lesser-of-two-evils situation, and creating/utilizing "radical Islam" was merely a means to an end (Al-Qaeda -> U.S.S.R., Hamas -> PLO). The real problem is that we actually trained them how to take down a superpower by bankrupting one via tactical guerrilla warfare... how's our (U.S.) national debt looking again?

We (the U.S. and Israel) foolishly thought that our purposefully rabid dogs wouldn't bite the hands that fed them. Either that, or we knew they'd eventually turn, and figured it would be a great excuse to keep our own populations fearful and more easily controlled somewhere down the line.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 07:09 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by jam321
Does it really matter who created Hamas ? They are who they are today and that is what really matters..

It's good to know the history so that they can be dealt with but you are absolutely right ... it's what is happening TODAY that matters. They are out of control and a drag on civilization. They need to be GONE.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 07:36 AM by vehemes terra eternus

reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

Great video, Ron Paul is the lone voice of reason amongst the political ranks.

His frustration shows as deep down he knows that his words will have little effect. The globalist snakes have their coils wound tightly around humanity. Support for Ron must continue so he can challenge Obama in 2012. By word of mouth and other forms of efficient information distributing I'm sure a HUGE following could be aMASSed. One big enough to challenge even Obama.

The scum that continue to play out their war games at the worlds expense must not be allowed to sneak in the totalitarian back door.
We live in times of crucial decisions. If the masses can somehow be exposed to all the truth that is Ron Paul then maybe...........

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 07:38 AM by dirtonwater

We all need to bow our heads and genuflect. The great Ron Paul has chose to share more of his infinite wisdom with us.

Do you notice now Ron Paul followers are like cult members. They hang on his every word and are amazed how this man can constantly speak the truth. They can't understand why sane people can't see it.

In reality, this man is a simpleton. He sees the world though the eyes of a child where there are simple solutions to everything.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 07:49 AM by jaamaan

Originally posted by ExamineAllViews
why would a country create an enemy that it cannot control and restrain? It just seems like such a miscalculated and unnecessary risk to take, especially if the group has potential to become more powerful than you can control.

Maybe their sole task is to be agent provocateurs so israel can attack again and grap more land or kill of more leaders.

As an example, i can not see what purpose it serves to shoot these hammas rockets into israel, nothing good for the palestinians comes of it, just more israel attacks.
So hammas is playing the cards of israel as far as i can see, not helping the palestinians very much with this tactic.

So from the looks of it part of hammas looks like a fals flag opperation to help israel to further its agenda.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 07:53 AM by jaamaan

Originally posted by dirtonwater
We all need to bow our heads and genuflect. The great Ron Paul has chose to share more of his infinite wisdom with us.

Do you notice now Ron Paul followers are like cult members. They hang on his every word and are amazed how this man can constantly speak the truth. They can't understand why sane people can't see it.

In reality, this man is a simpleton. He sees the world though the eyes of a child where there are simple solutions to everything.

Mmm strange that this Doctor Paul has so much credentials when "He sees the world though the eyes of a child"
I dont think children can become doctors.

I think more that the empty statements that you made are "cult like" anti paul.

Maybe you could give an clear example of his "child" like views instead of your weak attempt of caracter assasination.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 08:25 AM by Retseh

Nothing he said will help stop the current violence.

Pointing out how stupid mistakes were made in the past doesn't help the current situation.

Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. If he had been around in 1939 Europe would have fallen to the Nazis.

I'm willing to listen to anyone who can fix this mess, but people who point at car wrecks saying "told ya you were going too fast" while the driver bleeds out, I can do without.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 08:26 AM by Darthorious

Geesh if I didn't know any better I would say he comes to this board reads our concerns and presents them in congress lol

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 08:35 AM by dirtonwater

reply to post by jaamaan

ha ha ha

No thanks. I know better than to get into a discussion with a cult member.

Right off the bat you start with a diversion tactic. "but he's a doctor". Isn't this whole discussion about Ron Paul as a politician ? Am I supposed to argue he is not a doctor ???????? This is when you really know he's a b.s. politician so you say "oh yeah, he's a doctor", trying to bait me to argue he is'nt. wtf ???

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 08:53 AM by wdkirk

Originally posted by redmage

Originally posted by wdkirk
I love my dog. He gets along well with me. I feed and water him. He plays, he eats, he sleeps, he protects me. One day he became rabid and turned on me and I had to put him down.

The real question is...

Did you purposefully infect your dog with rabies, in the hopes that it would attack someone else more viciously, all the while foolishly thinking that a rabid dog would never bite the hand that feeds it?

That's what the U.S. and Israel have done with their historic propagation of "radical Islam". Trying to equate that to "love" or merely "friendships-gone-sour" seems disingenuous at best.

Please don't read anymore in to what I posted that what is written. It says what it says. We had a lap dog. We took care of it. It turned on us. We put it down.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 09:16 AM by Alpha_Magnum

Originally posted by Wormwood Squirm
reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

Barack should give Ron Paul a seat in his administration.

Wouldn't that be cool?

YouTube Link

Ron Paul is a true conservative Republican who tales the oath to UPHOLD the Constitution seriously!

Barak Obama is a socialist who has called for mandatory service to the state.

reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 09:32 AM by zysin5

reply to post by tjeffersonsghost

Star and flag for you Jeffersonsghost!! Im glad to see Dr. Paul standing up and speaking the truth to this matter...
I have known this for a long time.. But its good to hear someone of this standing get up and tell it how it is!!!!

Freaking plots of evil.. Just like America and their BS..
We started and funded Osama B. L. This is just a big mess..
We create the monsters, and they get set lose on the world..

And they say they didn't expect this too happen.. My ass they didnt..
This is all going as planned..

Its almost as if the sith lord is here on Earth..

Where are the jedi nights??