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There is no such thing as the Galactic Alignment.

How is that for an opening statement from a 2012 writer huh?

Bearing in mind I even have a very long article discussing the mechanics of it on my site! The mechanics of the target event are however correct. The title used is left as is simply because nobody would search Google for the correct term.

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Between the years 1980 and 2016 the winter solstice sun rises into a region of the sky that puts it conjunct with the Dark Rift in the milky way, very approximately it will also be a conjunction of the galactic centre. The central point in this event occurred in 1998-9. It will however still be occurring in a slightly more limited form on 21-12-2012 the day the Maya Long Count calendar rolls over into a new Baktun cycle having completed a 5125 year spin of the wheels.

Like all wheels the Maya Calendar can never have an end. To state a circular system has an end is utterly nonsensical. Linear time thinking can not be brought to bear on the Maya system of cyclical time. There can be no prophecy of an absolute end, such a thought has no meaning within the system.

The Maya tracked backward in time millions of years with their calendar system as well as forward into distant futures. They plotted movements of astronomic bodies, as well as Terran considerations. It seems the Maya also tracked more subtle energies of metaphysical consideration. This is not the mindset of a people that feared some world ending Doomsday just a few centuries ahead of them.

Back to the sky. The really interesting thing about the end of this current Long Count and the end of its 13th Baktun is it coincides so closely with the Galactic Conjunction brought about by precession of the equinox.

Precession, or the Earth's wobble as it is sometimes called, causes the poles to trace circles through the 12/13 constellations of the zodiac. In all, one complete cycle takes approx 25,900 years to end. This was known as the 'Great Year' by the ancient Greeks and Egyptians. It can be thought of as a cosmic clock. The signs of the Zodiac form the numbers on the face whilst the line of the poles extended into space are the hands.

Every half cycle something of considered note occurs (just under 13,000 years), the pole more inclined toward the galactic centre changes from the North to the South or vice versa.

There is also an event known in ancient lore as the Holy Cross which occurs at the completion of an entire cycle, its rather complex and long to describe so click here to read the details www.lunarplanner.com...

This is considered by dozens of esoteric traditions as being an extremely important event for mankind and our spiritual progression on Earth. Most also hold that part of the progression comes about via trials and tribulations of myriad form. None insurmountable however.

Just to dispel some erroneous data for you let me explain why the Galactic Alignment is false terminology. The Galactic centre is impossible to mark accurately and in fact there are different ones anyway. There is the centre of galactic rotation, the centre of galactic mass, the centre by galactic span and the centre of the super black hole (impossible to plot as time-space laws break down within). We can consider alignment with the galactic centre as pretty meaningless anyway as all such definitions deal with an enormous region of space dwarfing our tiny sun, alignment or eclipse can not be considered as useful references. The sun does however conjunct the region known as the galactic bulge during the winter solstice of this 36 year long period afore mentioned above.

The Maya calendar system and their cosmology are correctly linked to both tribulations and spiritual growth. Maya elders strongly deny any Doomsday is prophesied by their system or cosmology however.

I always come back to this forum for some strange reason. Only to find people concerned with a single prophecy. Let me remind every single person who even bothers with the 2012 doomsday theories, that there are multiple scenario prophecies regarding this time period. Everyone is drawn to the Mayan Calendar for some strange reason. I agree that it was quite the accomplishment for their time. But, the Mayans had no doomsday theory based around this cycle. In fact the Popol Vuh is the playbook for 2012, which we can see that there is not a dearth of statements about 2012. According to their timeline, December 12, 2012 was the ending of the cycle. Modern writers found the date of 2012 and matched that with other prophecies that all seem to predict doom in 2012 and hence this theory began.

The Mayan’s in fact according to most interpretations believe this as a transititional phase. The analogy I will give to anyone reading this is simple; The Bible, re-written and re-interpreted by multiple sources all who have their own meaning of the original text. Only the Mayans had the date December 12, but multiple prophecies all are actually predicting doom in the year 2012. There is no specific date only something bad is suppose to happen in this year. Also, there is no hardcore evidence that something is going to happen in this year. We have no historic documents of our planet’s activity. It is possible that the Earth might undergo a natural magnetic change that happens once every 500,000 years. And this happens to fall on the year 2012 in our current time. You could even throw the Shiva Hypothesis in this, (that I stated in an above post) which is estimated to happen every 30 million years give or take a few MILLION years and state, “The next comet will hit the Earth on the year 2012). Is this possible? The answer to that question is yes, it is possible. There is already one possible outcome that is backed by scientific evidence, (Another post I made on this site www.abovetopsecret.com...) that has a possibility of happening in the year 2012. This technically matches all the prophecies that are predicted in the year. Regardless we won’t find out until the comes. Once again let me remind everyone the 2012 doomsday theory was popularized by the Mayans, but it does not derive around this single theory.

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reply to post by Johnathanrs

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You state that the Maya popularised the Doomsday Prophecy theory. This is utterly untrue!

The Maya have vehemently stated that their calendar does not give a doomsday prophecy for 21-12-2012.

Please read my post above for more details.

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reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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Thank you, I am glad someone else notices these things.

reply to post by BruceF

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Sorry, but you are wrong. I did not state this, but I will re-post what I said.

According to their timeline, December 12, 2012 was the ending of the cycle. Modern writers found the date of 2012 and matched that with other prophecies that all seem to predict doom in 2012 and hence this theory began.

Also, I made further accusations against writers who used this as a basis for their theory. Never accusing the Mayans at all. Simply explaining how their religion and beliefs were mistuned and abused.

Originally posted by RFBurns
The Mayan's had their own calander, which was so precise, right down to a 10th of a second, beings its based on multiples of 10, that it is still the most precise calander to exsist. Never has the Mayan calander been required to have a leap year, or add or take away days out of a month, nor had it ever needed to be altered to make certian days fall in a certian season.

I do agree with you mostly but from what I have read about the Mayans suggests that although their astronomical knowledge was very precise their calendar was not, its something to do with using exact numbers for year lengths. I will try and find some information on this.

Not much luck as I'm in no mood to trawl through badly formatted websites a quick search revealed but I did find some information on wikipedia:

As a calendar for keeping track of the seasons, the Haab' was crude and inaccurate, since it treated the year as having 365 days, and ignored the extra quarter day (approximately) in the actual tropical year. This meant that the seasons moved with respect to the calendar year by a quarter day each year, so that the calendar months named after particular seasons no longer corresponded to these seasons after a few centuries.

SOURCE

So it sounds like they did possibly use some kind of leap year.

the calendar falls out of step with the seasons by one day every four years. By comparison, the Julian calendar, used in Europe from Roman times until about the 16th Century, accumulated an error of only one day every 128 years. The modern Gregorian calendar is even more accurate, accumulating only a day's error in approximately 3257 years.

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And in some ways the Gregorian calendar is more precise. I must say though I am aware that this is one of their calendars but still.

[edit on 9/1/2009 by CuriosityStrikes]

reply to post by Johnathanrs

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Hi again,

Evidently you are not in disagreement with me on this point. it was just an error in how you made your point in the post. I was actually referring to where you said this:

"Once again let me remind everyone the 2012 doomsday theory was popularized by the Mayans, but it does not derive around this single theory. "

Clearly it was not the Maya people that popularised the 2012 Doomsday theory, but rather those that took Maya data and added it to their own doomsday theories. I think you meant that the Maya information brought more people to the 2012 subject who then encountered the doomsday theory also being linked to it by others. Is that correct?

reply to post by BruceF

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You answered your own question. You are right I mis-implied that statement. Obviously it came out right wrong, thank you for correcting it.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by Johnathanrs]

reply to post by Johnathanrs

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Well said! lol

Alice: If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?

Great to meet you I hope we get to chat much more.

Bruce

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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Wow four whole weeks of study hey? lol

Everything you just said is wrong and has no evidence to support it.

I just spent the last 5 years researching to find that out.

Post authoritative links to prove your correct and I will happily shut up.

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