Originally posted by tide88
reply to post by SPreston
Sorry SPreston but that is not proof that they were demoed. Seeing something of this magnitude has never happened before you dont know what the
debris pile should look like. Now if there was another building with structure as the WTC demoed and we can compare then maybe you have something.
But for you too say that the debris pile proves anything is rediculous. Just to add, I am not saying the debris pile proves it wasnt demoed either.
I am just saying it proves nothing.
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nothing of that magnitude??? are you so sure a plane going high speed has never hit a skyscraper??
At 9:50 am on Saturday July 28, 1945, impossibility became a reality. A B-25 “Billy Mitchell” bomber belonging to the US Army Air Corps crashed
into the Empire State Building. The plane was enroute to the Newark Airport located in New Jersey when it struck the 102-story structure. The odds
against such an incident ever happening were computed as being 10,000 to 1. But weather flying conditions at the time helped contribute to the
incident.
Lt. Col. William F. Smith a 27-year-old West Point Graduate was piloting the plane at the time of the incident. He was a combat veteran and had
flown for two years over the skies of Europe. During his time in Europe he had amassed over a thousand hours flying time. For the hours he had flown
Col. Smith was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal and the Croix de Guerre for his wartime service in the European theater.
This flight originated in New Bedford, Mass and attempts to land at LaGuardia airport were unsuccessful due to the dense fog that had socked in the
area. The plane then turned and headed for Newark airport. LaGuardia tower told Col. Smith that the ceiling was near zero and visibility forward would
be limited to three miles. The air traffic controller also added that because of the conditions the top of the Empire State Building was not visible.
People walking on the streets below at approximately 9:48 am looked up and briefly caught a glimpse of the bomber flying through the clouds as it just
missed the Rockefeller center. Eyewitness accounts say the plane was flying about 500 feet when the near miss occurred. The plane then banked sharply
up and disappeared into the fog.
No one knows for sure, but investigators believe that Col. Smith looked down through a break in the cloud cover and saw a curved river and thought it
to be the East River, when in fact it was the Hudson. Seeing this curve it is believed that he then descended for his approach at Newark airport. It
is believed that the planes speed at this time was 225 mph. Within seconds the plane was closing rapidly on the Empire State Building. Col. Smith
attempted to veer away from the structure but his proximity to the building would not allow for such an evasive maneuver. The plane impacted the78th
and 79th floors on the towers north end. The impact of the plane created an 18 x 20 foot hole in the side of the tower. This crash caused extensive
damage to the masonry exterior and the interior steel structure of the building. The 102-foot building was rocked by the impact. Many people who were
in the street at the time saw flames shooting from the point of impact, which was at the 913-foot level. The impact was heard as far as two miles
away. Flames and dense smoke obscured the top of the structure. Later on a wing was found on Madison Avenue, one block away.
Nearby buildings were damaged by fragments of the impact and one of the planes engines was found on the South side of the building in the top of a
twelve story building. The engine had flown over thirty-third St. and had crashed through a skylight in a penthouse. The engine started a $78,000.00
fire in the studio of sculptor Henry Hering. Hotel magnet Vincent Astor owned this 12-story building.
The other engine hit the door leading into an elevator shaft and fell 80 stories. While falling the engine cut the cables on many of the elevators.
A woman riding one of these elevators was sent plummeting downward, but the elevator braking system prevented a basement crash, instead the top of the
elevator was crush an she was trapped in total darkness.
The fuselage of the plane disintegrated into the 78th and 79th floor killing all four onboard the B-25, as well as killing or injuring everyone
working in the War Relief Services and National Catholic Welfare Conference offices. Those who perished were either killed by the flying metal or by
the raging inferno that followed.
One body was found on a 72nd story ledge, but was burned beyond recognition. Only 14 people would perish in this incident and another 25 would suffer
severe wounds. In the streets people were frozen in terror as they watched the events unfold. Arriving fire companies proceeded up into the building
using the remaining working elevators and began to attack the blaze. Water and gasoline poured out of the gapping hole and ran down the exterior of
the building.
Soon fire companies got the blaze under control and were able to extinguish it without any further calamities occurring. It took the FDNY 4 alarms to
bring this situation under control.
The woman in the elevator was saved when a man named Donald Maloney who had been passing by witnessed the accident ran into a drugstore. There he
demanded hypodermic needles as well as drugs and other medical supplies, he then raced into the damaged building to help. Mr. Maloney was a former
hospital apprentice in the US Coast Guard. Once inside he found rescuers who had forced an opening into the crushed elevator. Mr. Maloney then
lowered himself into the crushed elevator and removed the unconscious woman, upon extricating her he administered morphine to her and she was then
rushed to the hospital Mr. Maloney’s actions saved the woman’s life.
There are also some interesting side notes concerning this incident:
* The Empire State Building was constructed to take the impact of a 10-ton aircraft.
* Damage to the building was estimated at $500,000.00, the Army paid up when the negotiations were lowered to $288,901.00.
* The New York Telephone Company estimated that they lost approximately $1,869.67 of equipment as a result of the crash, this was immediately paid
for.
* At 200 Fifth Avenue at Childs Restaurant a plate glass window was broken which the Army paid $365.00 for.
* As for Henry Hering and his claim that his life’s work valued at $137,000.00 had been destroyed. The Army only offered him $25,000.00. (So much
for the value of art).
