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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 04:54 PM by newagent89
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999



Plus, if the case is that WTC7 was demolished for insurance claims and such, why was not the same done for the other WTC buildings like WTC5? It suffered a partial collapse and had to be taken down. Why not have them fall and use the same explanation about thermal expansion and fires? Why have so much collateral damage and yet not as much as there could have been? I see that this was not an organized event after the planes hit. Rather, a lot of chaos entered the picture. Some buildings collapsed due to varying factors, others were damaged and had to be demolished. Others reopened in a few weeks. Some people died, others seemingly miraculously did not. I think it is fallacious to say that everyone, or about everyone, agrees that WTC 7 was demolished. People have a right to their own opinion but they don't need to go about making up other people's minds for them. Some people on both sides of this argument who keep telling each other that they need to "open their eyes" need to be paddled. No one on here is a sheep, we need to respect each other's intelligence.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:00 PM by criswyatt
reply to post by RFBurns



I have to ask you if you know who owns the network news casts? It's something you need to look into. Do you know anything about the capability of agencies being able to take over control of a plane from the pilot? Have you ever personally seen a building implode?

If the answer to any of these questions is no, I suggest you look into them.
By the way, do you know what was stored in Tower 7?

Just watching a video that may or may not have been edited can't tell you the whole story. Please take the time to look into these things.

Another issue you might be interested in is why John McCain blocked families from finding out what happened to the MIA/POW's. It's a sad story but it tells the stock McCain is made of.

Please reply if you have anymore to add to these or even if you just want to tell me how crazy you think I am.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 05:00 PM by newagent89
reply to post by truthquest



Just thinking that many of their videos were amateur videos sent in. The footage that they did take looks to me like any other news camera video. A lot of it is actually quite good. It's just that there were a limited number of their cameras and many more average joe cameras, and thus the average joes, at times, got better angles and unique shots.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:02 PM by muzzleflash
reply to post by alienj



interesting way you think

by your logic, any time i commit crimes, you all should just "Leave it in the past" and "get on with your lives" , and forget about me and dont bother putting me in jail



so your saying you dont think Osama should be punished?
thats what it looks like your saying IMHO

[edit on 1-1-2009 by muzzleflash]


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:12 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by unruly1



Okay, off their home page...



6. Tons of molten metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor).




I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy.




Regards,
Mark Loizeaux, President
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC


Funny, the president of CDI says that it was other contractors who supposedly saw it and the more one looks into this, the more you see the words "so and so told me about molten metal, I did not actually see it."

So, there is one easily found falsehood right off the home page of the site.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by LucidDreamer85



No. The designers ASSUMED that they had built the towers to withstand a low-speed collision with an airplane, just as it was assumed that the Titanic was designed to be unsinkable. Human arrogance rears its ugly head once again.


reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 06:22 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by 911fnord



Im a heck of a nice person and a very reasonable guy. You might want to reread the WTC 7 report for the exact wording and context. WTC 7, the main collapse, might have fallen at near free fall speed, however the video evidence does show that a relatively large section of the building had failed prior to the main collapse.

Not to mention that the NIST report is never going to be more than an educated guess at exactly what was damaged inside of the building and exactly how it failed. That is all it can be, no one went into the building to make a detailed study of how badly the building was damaged.
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