[UK] How do we seriously attack knife crime?, page 1
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reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 05:22 PM by The Bald Champion
reply to post by redled



People could carry bats or a very nasty poop on the end of a stick???

News paper armor???

Bigger knives or axes???

Chainlink armor???


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 05:24 PM by redled
reply to post by pluckynoonez


Labour's position.....

news.bbc.co.uk...

Conservative Postition.....

news.bbc.co.uk...

Cameron himself. And I think he's brilliant, but he's got this one badly wrong. Excuse had better be broad enough to offer hope, adolescent chance and opportunity.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 05:30 PM by redled
Originally posted by The Bald Champion
reply to post by redled



People could carry bats or a very nasty poop on the end of a stick???

News paper armor???

Bigger knives or axes???

Chainlink armor???


This is an issue. Believe it or not, a very nasty poop on a stick does not worry the British people, nor cancer in 100s, our government has been banning people from the NHS for buying private drugs, they've given up on that, nor the cold and many will freeze this year, nor many things, but we all get shaken by the suddenness.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 05:43 PM by ivycutler
From my limited experience which is a few years youth work in Glasgow.
And i focus on young people here because I think an adult generally has more intelligence and less fear than a child (though this is highly debatable).
Kids, on the one hand, will carry knives here sometimes for outright attack on other kids they already know. Other times they will say they carry them for protection because 'I'd rather stab someone than be stabbed myself.' Further discussion often leads to issues with percieved 'territorialism' though further discussion will often blur these boundaries, as does age and experience.

For my part I see that it is not knives that are the problem, as I believe it is not rockets in palestine/israel that is the propbelm, but it is the thought processes of people that leads to so called 'knife crime'.

Some people learn that to survive and to better themselves they need education, good work, family and money. To others who the former are not easily, if at all, accessible they make the rules up themselves.

how to deal with it?

sigh....

early intervention?
diversion?
parenting education?
....... who knows.....??

one of the hardest things I find in my work is encouraging young people to participate healthly in a society I see as significantly damaged and unhealthy.. But you can't focus on the negative too much or else what hope is there to give to a newly conscious being on this planet...

respect to all who are trying

theres my rant.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 05:48 PM by redled
reply to post by ivycutler


Not a rant, but thankyou for at least dealing with this seriously.

I don't know all the answers at all, but I think a healthy mixture of fear from the law, rather than fear of your gang rival, with something to do or hope of building up to that are critical in any final solution.

Good on you for doing youth work, I'm vexing with going into teaching, but I don't want a heart attack..... Inner city hell........


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 06:29 PM by TheSilentProtagonist
Nothing will alleviate knife crime.

everything anyone can come up with is reactionary, abstract things like curfews and armbands and community schemes. None of these will work. They will dent, but they will not destroy. This is of course nothing to do with the herculean effort that council workers and volunteers put into to making these schemes happen. Its a question of culture. Kids in inner cities carry knives because it is the standard behaviour to do so. Or at least, not frowned upon by their peers to do so.
And its not something as glib and passing as a "craze" or a "im doin it cuz me mates are doin it" sort of thing. This isnt a recent thing. Just a progression upon other behaviours before it, reacting to the times.
Over the past few decades in this country weve seen an urban underclass developing who have little faith in modern society or their ability to succeed in it. They embrace gang culture for a sense of family, a sense of belonging, a sense of purpose that visions of a life as a telesalesman or insurance broker could never give them.
Words like "labour", "conservative" or "Knife crime" are abstract terms from high above and mean nothing to them. There is no direct soloution. Its goddam tragic these things happen on our streets, but there is always a reason for it. Theres nothing we can do but let this culture of knive-weilding, casual violence die out like everything before it and let some other tradgedy take its place.


reply posted on 29-12-2008 @ 07:45 PM by infolurker
reply to post by ivycutler


Problem you have is your under the assumption that it is preventable with education...... Well, here is a lesson.... Some people are just criminals! They will use force to take what they want, rob, steal, and worse.

Criminals have access to anything they want for a price... there are still shootings in the UK with handguns... handguns that the criminals have while your defenseless.... I find the idea insane myself.

You can pass any law you want... criminals don't give a flying (care) about the law. Neither do teen gangs.. .you can't outlaw all the pointed objects.. people are going to intimidate, mug, and kill each other with whatever instrument not caring about a law. Equalize the playing field.


Shoot a few of them and watch how fast crime goes down. Some of the things I have seen lately are insane.

Council advises homeowners to leave sheds open for thieves
www.telegraph.co.uk...

We need to ban the sale of long pointed kitchen knives:
www.bmj.com...


www.thesun.co.uk...

LONDON (Reuters) - A teenager who murdered a young student with a sub-machine gun in south London

uk.reuters.com...

Gang members members of the Birmingham-based Johnson Crew, used two 9mm handguns to shoot doorman
www.timesonline.co.uk...

Guns are the weapon of choice for the teenagers in the gangs of north Liverpool.
news.bbc.co.uk...

UK gang member found guilty of killing schoolboy
www.wtopnews.com...

You don't have as much gang crime as the US .... yet. But your above what you had before the gun ban!

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Islamic hate preacher Bakri says it’s Islamically OK for Muslim kids to carry knives
www.topnews.in...

According to official figures for England and Wales, the number of offences in which firearms were used fell from 13,434 in 1996 to 12,410 the following year. Crimes involving handguns fell from 3,347 in 1996 to 2,636 in 1997.

In 1999 such offences began creeping up again. The latest figures for 2005-2006 show a total of 21,521 firearms crimes, including 4,671 involving handguns.

But your catching up quick.... I still do not understand the idea of not protecting your family and property.... it astounds me beyond comprehension.


Here we have Police Chiefs who openly admit that "were on our own"

St. Louis alderman calls on residents to get armed
www.columbiamissourian.com...

The Mexican Army is sending "hit squads" into the US
Thursday, June 26, 2008
Mexican Army Members Raid Phoenix Home & Shoot Man Dead
gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...
archive.newsmax.com...

As crime shoots through the roof and armed gangs of thugs victimize you, I hope to god you return to the sanity of "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
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