[UK] How do we seriously attack knife crime?

Your right on the money! Why not make everyone safe with a requirement to wear socker boppers at all times!!!

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Well we could give them guns like in the USA so they can shoot each other instead :-p
No in all seriousness lets just stab anyone that carries a knife.
kx

reply to post by TheSilentProtagonist

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"Nothing will alleviate knife crime"

Allowing People to carry guns would work.

Can you be trusted with a gun?

Give the police guns, seriously. They try to hit criminals with little batons while they are being stabbed to death, not a good idea.

Why not register all knives like we do guns here in the states?

reply to post by leisuredrummer

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"Why not register all knives like we do guns here in the states?"

It is both impractical and Orwellian.

*Why not register all 'sharp things' like we do guns here in the states?

reply to post by Exuberant1

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Haha, ok true, true.

Maybe they should give everyone knives then, that way the people will think before they decide to scuffle, it's not such a one-sided fight.

*Tongue in cheek*

reply to post by leisuredrummer

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"Maybe they should give everyone knives then, that way the people will think before they decide to scuffle, it's not such a one-sided fight."

Knives? Give them guns.

*Seriously (the criminals already have them)

reply to post by Sonya610

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Get's difficult doesn't it!? Capping the money hurts the children. Taking the kids into care is risky. Most of the young ones I work with are in care and the quality of that care varies a great deal. No substitute for a loving parent/carer. Tying tubes is open to human rights issues. Money is the best lever, I think.

The mum of a girl I worked with had four daughters in care and kept her son. She was giving the girl joints at age 6 because she 'looked cute.' It would make a funny poster, but real life's a bit different. She screwed the girl's mind over. The girl ended up bulimic, self-harming and taking coke, speed and spliff every day to pass time. She's currently on the wagon due to being pregnant. She hasn't told the father for a good reason. He's 16 and on remand for dealing and stabbing someone. Another broken tooth ned with his hands down his pants. I'll be honest, I absolutely despise her mum for what she's done to this girl. On the other hand, she's 2nd generation welfare unemployed and doesn't know much better. Now the girl's got a 4th generation welfare kid on the way and doesn't know how to raise a kid. She's 16 in a Children's Home. Her mum's example won't help.

I've drifted from the knife crime topic, but I'm trying to show the world they live in. No prospects, no responsibilites for their actions, no incentives, no punishments. Being a hard young man, not backing down. It's the only way to get what passes for respect.

reply to post by TheSilentProtagonist

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Agreed. I'm a wordy ba**ard, but you've summed up what I was trying to say. Society needs to change.

It’s a problem that will only be solved by better education for society all round.

In the uk our living standards are better then they were years ago and that’s been achieved by better education.

Unfortunately the Americans have a sickness which has traversed the Atlantic and is infecting our youth in greater numbers then ever before.

If we were to ban something we should ban America.

The American attitude sickness of stuff like "I’ll shoot you"

Translated in England to "'I’ll knife you"

Its American machoism bred by their gun culture and all encompassing right to bear arms and kill. It’s STUPID. Stupid stupid stupid

It is a social sickness aggravated by the American culture.

What is meant when people say "education is the answer"?

Is it not known that being stabbed it painful and dangerous?

Is it not known that once a person is dead they cannot come back?

Is it not known that life with a colostomy bag is less than fun?


What is the information missing that can be taught to these morons that would open their eyes to the simple fact that jamming a piece of metal into a persons face might not be the best idea for themselves or for the person to be stabbed?

Maybe make a song of it like the alphabet song? A "dont stab people" song for all the grade school kids to sing.

Quite why anyone wants to stab or shoot people is a mystery to me, for when I owned some firearms legally, it was just for the sport of target shooting.

If the guns and knives are taken away from the people with the shooting and stabbing mindset, they'll just use some other kind of weapon.

In many respects it's a social issue and requires parents, teachers, police and politicians to address this matter; partly through education, partly by setting the right example, and partly by stringent penalties for injuries caused, such as some kind of corporal or capital punishment.

It may help some of the merely misguided people, but there is a significant proportion of shooters and stabbers who like doing it and won't change in any way. For these people, if they are a persistent danger to our society and no amount of education or punishment will change them, then they should be permanently removed from our society to a place where they can no longer cause harm to others.

Let the punishment fit the crime!

Well that’s not quite right for instance.

I know a kid who is americanised in attitude. He say's things like "what if I kill this", "what if I kill that", "if they do that to me I will kill them". Although he is a little mentally challenged I often have to remind him that we are not Americans and do not adhere to such stupidity.

But he see's the attitude on American TV shows and films and hear's it from his mates at school who are often allowed to view more violent American "entertainment".

And we will ignore the American hip hop "I’ll burst your head" kind of rubbish attitude, cause of my blood pressure.

When out one day at the British war museum we happened upon some pictures of what war really does to people. And guess what, he didn’t like it one bit. He liked to see all the weapons of destruction but when confronted with the reality it was all too much.

Our youth and society as a whole needs to be educated in reality. Because most of the time it sits at home fantasizing.

Like American gun supporters who sit around fantasizing that they need their guns to over throw their government should a bad bunch of people get elected.

You know the sort of government that takes peoples freedoms and starts illegal wars.

When I was a kid I used to carry knives to school because I thought it was cool and because I wanted to be just like my hero Johnny Rambo. Who knows what might have happened had i had access to guns as my other hero was Tony Montana, although he was just one of many violent American idols i had over the years. And yes i was quite a bully and yes i was emulating my violent American hero's in part. But i had more respect for life.

Today’s children are less respectful due to their parent’s inability to effectively chastise them. I don’t think they understand the seriousness of stabbing a person and I don’t think they would even know what a colostomy bag was. They need to be educated.

People promote violence, and although we will never eliminate violent crime, this promotion of violence will escalate the problem.

But as we are all so often reminded here on ats, sense means nothing if it does not suit the man.

Im not anti American but you need to do something about the people of your country that seem to think the answer to their problems can be found through the use of weaponry. That sick way of thinking emulates through your society and is a disease which has spread to the streets of the UK.

Weaponry and violence has its place in society but not in the everyday lives of the people.

Locking people up is no answer either that should be a crime to. We need to take alot of money and put it into educating criminals and trying to find some way of putting meaning and purpose into their lives.

The only way to stop knife (any) crime is to instil the idea of individual-social responsibility from an individual by educating them that their actions have an impact on themselves and those around them. The difference that is so obvious between my two boys of differing ages and those of the same ages is that my two already look at what they do and see the bigger picture. The older one really understands this and the younger knows that he doesn’t have the right to do whatever he wants or that its his right to possess. So why are my two different? Simple, they have two parents that acknowledge the above values and work together to instil this. And why does it not exist in those around? Well, because the parent(s) don’t know this themselves and therefore can’t instil. Its never going to happen and nor should it happen as a law but we need to remove the right for uneducated (I don't mean nanny state education) people to have children. What I mean is that society should be educated to know that its not your right to have children even if you can! I don’t see this anywhere in any society (although may be a little in some East Asian countries)

We should abandon the idea of state education as it doesn’t work and only allows the clever elite to mould the ignorant sheeple into whatever form of uneducated that suits their agenda. I think intelligent people should evaluate and then justify what they actually hope to achieve by teaching children for 10-14yrs of their very formative years? I have my theory of what this is currently and the product certainly adheres to a very scary end product for the majority (this isn’t necessarily a thuggish child but in most instances, it is one that doesn’t know how to think for themselves and they will have a very politically narrow view and narrow outlook – perfect for their next role)

Again this will never happen for reasons that I get to at the end but a way to start to educate society is the complete removal of any state money going to anyone for the privilege of having children. For those in the US, here in the UK you get more money the more children you have thus for lots of uneducated sheeple it’s a full-time job (making babies that is not looking after them following birth) this would ensure that you have to be in a position to be responsible for them financially and might dissuade a number. You then remove the national crèche facility that most couples-families in the UK use, its called state education. A novel idea where you get rid of your children for up to 6-7 hrs a day all paid for by the state. This ensures that the uneducated sheeple only have to endure their problem children for max 3 years before off loading them into the state crèche and then you don't have to have very much contact with them for the next 12 years. By which time they have learned how to be independent of you anyway by meeting other like minded thugs for after crèche activities such as vandalising, drugs, drinking, violent behaviour and general self loathing activities that inflect misery of those around them. Some actually educate themselves despite their ignorant, uncaring scrounging parent(s) but alas the vast majority will go on to be the same uneducated sheeple that go into full-time baby making in order to fund their 'habits' and continue in the footsteps of their parents by making full use of the state handouts and free crèche facilities.

I'm 100% right and the current system in the UK is what creates these uneducated life fodder but the really scary thing is that its actually by design. Go on try and prove my sentiment wrong, I've got all the problems of UK society to prove me right and meddling government after blundering government to prove me right.

Are most kids so stupid?

My friends and I carried knives because we were in scouts. Eventually we found them to be very useful in various day to day activities whether fishing or hunting or just getting the chain back on the bike.

How old were you, 8?

We must have missed out on something not to have been idolizing fictional characters let alone emulating them.

I'm absolutely baffled and honestly a little concerned. How many others changed or altered their behavior because of some movie or cartoon? Have I been giving people too much credit all these years laughing at the absurd notion that media makes criminals? Is it true? Am I awash in a sea of semi-retarded mimics?

I think children know the consequences of stabbing someone, but i don't think they care. That is the big difference between my generation and the generation just below it. I'm 23 and i can tell you now there is a clear difference between the people i know at my age and people only 2 year younger.

They want respect and they confuse respect with fear. The knife makes people afraid and if they don't show them respect then they have to be stabbed.

reply to post by Tallsorts

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"For these people, if they are a persistent danger to our society and no amount of education or punishment will change them, then they should be permanently removed from our society to a place where they can no longer cause harm to others."

Permanently 'remove' Unregistered 'knife owners'?

Somehow get kids to respect themselves and their community more.
I think the media,bad parenting and a loss in decent morals are to blame too,along with alot of other problems.
I weep for the future.

My friend i weep also.

Every generation has demonised the previous one, this is historical fact. However our current generation is truly awful. Many of them see human life as nothing, they would happily you if you get in their way. However they are still a minority, maybe 20% at most if i pick a figure out of the air based on my experiences.

Will this figure increase? I hope not, but i think so.

Knife crime?

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Tell ya what, go out and get yourself a .357 magnum, when someone comes at you with a knife, blow their kneecap out. Fixes this problem real quick, and allows the other guy to think about his carrier choice.