reply to post by Harlequin
i have 1 quesion for everyone:
how many slavs died in WW2 at the direct hands of the Nazi`s?
Thank you for posting this bit off topic but relevant question as Nazi democide is often cited by their genocide of the Jews.
What is the difference between democide and genocide? Democide is simply death by government. It is any murder by government officials acting under
the authority of government according to the explicit or implicit government policy or with the implicit or explicit approval of the highest
Genocide is more confusing at it may or may not include government murder, and refer to wholly or partially eliminating some group, or involve
psychological damage. When it includes government murder it may be entirely government conducted or partially government conducted.
The meaning defined by international treaty, the Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which makes genocide a
punishable crime under international law, and defines it as:
Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The most recent studies show that 10,547,000 Eastern Slavs were killed through Genocide by the Nazi Germans as part of Nazi Democide that killed a sum
total of 20,946,000 people of which Genocide was carried out on 16,315,000 including 220,000 homosexuals 258,000 gypsies, 5,291,000 Jews in addition
to the Slavs whose death total through Nazi Genocide is approximately twice that of Jews.
11,283,000 of those victims of Nazi Genocide include the institutional killing of 172,500 by forced euthanasia, 1,861,000 through forced labor,
3,100,000 as prisoners of war, and 6,063,000 in concentration and death camps.
Of the 10,547,000 non-Jewish Slavs killed through Nazi Genocide, Poland was most heavily effected with 5,400,000 killed, followed by the Soviet Union
with 5,055,400 killed, Yugoslavia with 625,000, Hungary 406,000 the Baltic States 255,000, Czechoslovakia with 214,000, Rumania with 70,000 and
Bulgaria with 7,000.
On a personal note my maternal Grandfather was a first generation American of Polish immigrant parents. He was a peace loving man brought up a
Catholic but became agnostic later in life. The only time he ever became inebriated in his life was the evening of the 1st of September 1939 when news
of the Nazi invasion of Germany reached his native Pittsburgh late in the afternoon. The loss of 5,400,000 Poles throughout the war some of them his
blood relatives in large part convinced him to forsake the notion of a G-d as put forward in Catholicism as he could not rationalize how any deity
could be so uncompassionate and unproductive. He was also well aware as a successful businessman active in the stock market that many American
companies had invested in Nazi Germany, many of them purely for profit and had perpetuated a widely accepted stance up until then the Nazi’s were
not as bad or evil as they turned out to be in order to justify those investments and profits.
It was he who taught me as a small boy to never believe any government’s official propaganda stance, that it was business interests who ruled the
world for the sake of money and not the diluted and sometimes down right deluded political, ideological, and religious organizations that claimed to
govern for the people for the sake of the people.
Clearly other ethnic groups suffered during the holocaust some suffered even twice that of the Jews.
This is why I personally reject religious based arguments and persecution based arguments as any justification for the Zionist terrorism led against
the British Mandate, and their fellow dovish Jews, and the indigenous Arabs, to defeat the terms of the Mandate and disenfranchise the indigenous
In my humble opinion it’s all about money and politics and all else is just an evoked smoke screen to avoid the issues of the flawed morality
exercised by Zionist and Israeli terrorism.
The Palestinians have likewise made some critical mistakes and blunders along the way in response to addressing that deliberate Zionist agenda to
My Grandfather taught me one other thing though…two wrongs don’t make a right.