Originally posted by resistancia
reply to post by MarkLuitzen

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I watched the vid and can agree with you, some of it is laughable. This does not mean the Palestinians are the bad guys, anymore than the Iraelis are the good guys

What makes anyone think that the Israelis can not also do this????

Both have a cause therefore both will resort to propaganda.


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The Priest of the Roman Catholic Church in Gaza, Monsignor Emmanuel Musallam sent God his wish during the prayer of the new year 2009. He said he wished to see the Israeli criminals Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, and Tzipi Livni trialed as a war criminals. In Gaza the Christian population is about 3355 Palestinians. the-roman-catholic-in-gaza-monsignor-emmanuel-musallamThe Palestinians newspapers published that Monsignor Emmanuel Musallam was obliged to cancel the traditional night prayers for the new year in Gaza. He asked: How will the voices of our prayers arise to glorify God? And how will the songs of joy of the New Year 2009 be sung while the sounds of the Israeli bombs shock the earth and the sky of Gaza? How will the songs of the new year arise while and the Israeli airplanes arise above everything? Priest Musallam said that he cancelled the nightly prayer to worship God in Gaza, and that new prayer times had been invented during the day, but that no one came to pray in the Church. The Israeli criminals are murdering anybody who goes out to pray, to buy bread, or to walk in the streets. This is a clear horror and a war crime, added Monsignor Emmanuel Musallam. “We had lived for years under the criminal Israeli siege, but now the siege of Gaza became a hurricane of war crimes and crimes against humanity. I hope the day will come when we see the trial of Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, and Tzipi Livni, as war criminals broadcast in the TV stations. This is my wish during the prayer of the new year 2009″. Iyad Aziz Al-Sayegh, a Roman Orthodox and the Managing Director of Al-Ahli Al-Arabi Hospital in Gaza, said “there is no taste of the Christmas and New Year in Gaza: We are living a terrible and frightening horror in Gaza; We are living a continuous state of mourning. We have not seen a truculent horror attack like this before.” He added: “We have not decorated our Christmas tree this year, as we are barely keep our lives”, adding that he lives in finest Al-Rimal neighborhood of Gaza, where the elegant buildings have been turned to ashes and rubble, and that the city has become a town of ghosts without electricity or water”.

Originally posted by pepsi78
I have an entire thread started.I guess someone needs a history lesson.
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Well same people, you know it runs in the blood. Iranians=persians.

What convulated logic, even a tinge of Sterotyping. So the Visigoths =Spainards, The Franks are the equivelent of the Modern French and the Germans= The Teutonic Knights and the Imperial Roman Empire= Italy. Just absurd.

The early exit polls that occurred during the Palestinian elections indicated that the Fatah party was winning with Hamas coming in second.

According to the Chicago Tribune, an exit poll conducted by Bir Zeit University showed Fatah winning 63 seats in the 132-member parliament with 46.4 percent of the vote, and Hamas winning 58 seats with 39.5 percent. Smaller parties received 11 seats, according to the poll, which had a one-seat (3 percent) margin of error. The poll surveyed 8,000 voters in 232 polling stations.

A poll published by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah, headed by Khalil Shikaki, showed Fatah winning 42 percent of the national vote and Hamas 35 percent with a margin of sampling error of 2 percentage points. This meant 58 seats for Fatah and 53 seats for Hamas. Smaller parties received 13 seats, and 8 other seats were too close to call, according to the poll, which surveyed 17,573 voters in 242 polling stations.
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The few and far between press reports regarding the highly questionable Palestinian election results explain away the discrepency with exit polls as a consequence of voters lying about their support for Hamas when queried. While this might account for some bias in the sampling, it is foolhardy to believe that this explains away a 20-25 percentage point differential. This sort of gulf is a statistical Grand Canyon that requires a seemingly unprecedented source of bias to occur.

An obvious possible explanation for the statistical discrepency between the exit polls and reported election results is fraud.

While Jimmy Carter and other naive monitors of the Palestinian elections declared that the elections were "well-administrated", they fail to observe the most important part of the voting process, i.e., the gathering and counting of votes. Those counting the votes or, more importantly, reporting the outcome of an election, have much greater potential control over the declared results than those casting ballots. Exit pollsters draw their data directly from the voters, so if there is a discrepancy with the reported election results it is those reporting the results and/or overseeing what those reports will be that should be scrutinized. As quotes above from Joseph Stalin, “The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.”

To anyone familiar with polling and statistics the election results being reported by the Palestinian Central Election Commission are nearly impossible to believe.

The polls carried out by Bir Zeit University and the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research had large sample sets of 8,000 voters and 17,500 voters, respectively. The margin of error was 2-3 percentage points at worst. However, the discrepancy between the exit poll predictions and reported election results in terms of the total vote is 20 and 25 percentage points, respectively. In a statistical sense, the odds of this being true for one exit poll is one in a hundred million. For two separate exit polls to be so far off is essentially statistically impossible.

The few and far between press reports regarding the highly questionable Palestinian election results explain away the discrepency with exit polls as a consequence of voters lying about their support for Hamas when queried. While this might account for some bias in the sampling, it is foolhardy to believe that this explains away a 20-25 percentage point differential. This sort of gulf is a statistical Grand Canyon that requires a seemingly unprecedented source of bias to occur.

will obama do the `right` thing in the name of the Christian heavenly father?? and send in the Marines to seperate BOTH sides and put his foot down and say ENOUGH to BOTH sides? or will be be cowed by the heathen Israelies and do nothing?