Bankrupted States = Con-Con & New States Consititution !!!!!

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I think you had better do some research. The Federal Reserve prints money and then loans it to the gov't at interest. Your federal income taxes go to pay off the interest.
But your right, it is a PONZI scheme.
Read this...
www.naturalnews.com...

Money thrown out for consumers to spend!

I hope the is another stimulus check i still have my first one and i know where there is a 40 foot motor home for sale for $800 dollars that i want.

I can save little on my disability check and having a motor home to live in would be cheaper then i have now.

Put some solar panels on it and i could move to Slab City Calif and live rent free in the winter and travel to a small mining town that i was a vol firefighter/EMT in the summer and park there rent free.

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I think we are saying the same thing. Instead of printing cash, though, they are printing worthless Treasury notes.

Here's a little chart from Treasury:

www.treas.gov...

The line that bothers me is the Grand Total for 2008: $3,042,700,000 owned by foreign countries.

That's $3 TRILLION.

Another problem is the 'back-channel' financing where foreign interests filter large sums of money in broken up into 'chunks' of a few billion here and there.

The last information I had access to indicated upwards of $4.3 Trillion from Saudis that was being spread around behind the scenes.

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One more quote from that report. Nearly $200 Billion is 'officially' held by 'oil exporting countries'.

Tell me if any of these characters would make you nervous if they held your credit card:

3/ Oil exporters include Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,

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Originally posted by ANNED

Money thrown out for consumers to spend!

I hope the is another stimulus check i still have my first one and i know where there is a 40 foot motor home for sale for $800 dollars that i want.

I can save little on my disability check and having a motor home to live in would be cheaper then i have now.

Put some solar panels on it and i could move to Slab City Calif and live rent free in the winter and travel to a small mining town that i was a vol firefighter/EMT in the summer and park there rent free.

Hey there! I am a paramedic (working tonight in fact).

A nice RV with a volunteer gig sounds just about perfect right now!

Interesting thread to say the least. As far as if I believe it or not is up in the air. I certainly wouldn't put it past some of these elitist bastards though. They know that regardless of how mindless society as a whole has become, they still can not do this overtly. There are still many people out there who would resist the clause about civilians and their arms. I know my father and I would no doubt. They would have to go confiscate door-to-door, and that equals a lot of dead cops in the end. I'd hate to see that happen but the only way to avoid it is to not try confiscation.

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I can't find any reference to a "Government Reorganization Act". Does anyone have the actual text of the Act?

As far as Executive Order 11647 goes; it was revoked in 1979 by Carter with E.O. 12149.

Me too, the only thing I have found so far is the Akaka bill in Hawaii.
S. 310/H.R. 505, Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2007.
Doesn't look like it will go anywhere either, and has little to do with Reorganizing the U.S. government. It is off topic but if you want you can check it out Here or Here It probably does belong on ATS, just not here.

Staying on topic I did check out newswithviews and particularly Nancy Levant who contributes her OPINIONS to newswithviews. I did a simple google on her and it appears she has opinions on lots of things. This is not a case of Sorcha Faal but given that Levant seems to be the only source, coupled with the quote above I'll say this. The idea is frightening and the threat of this or similar things is very real. But it doesn't seem that this is the "big one".



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If thats right, or this law goes ahead, them my bet is you will have a weopans amnesty - where you hand in your weapons freely voluntarily - this is them asking you to participate in a peaceful handover. Choose not to and they will have the powers to take them by force and refusal to or keeping a weopn without a licence 'for the shooting clubs/hunts' then you will most probably be prosecuted. Just like the UK.

This is all I have to say, whether this is true or not. The powers that be think they want a civil war to enact whatever secret plans that they have.

The truth of the matter is that human nature can not be predicted, the computer models they use to run these scenarios are made and programmed by humans.

My feelings are like this, you have a bunch of people on here that are like NWO oh I'm scared they are going to succeed at it and all this and all that. Well that's cool if they want to live in fear just like "they" want them too. That is exactly the way they want you to be. They want the people that know about it to be scared and petrified of it and feel helpless about doing anything to stop it.

The fact is that there is nobody on earth that can predict human nature, and if they want a civil war I would really hate to be on the government side in it because they will get crushed in a short time.

There are too many unknown variables for everything to go according to plan. The way I see it especially with the riots that just went on over in Greece the day America stands up and revolts against their government the whole world will follow suit. Just about everybody in America is fed up with the government and they will band together to get rid of the corrupt in Washington. Whatever happens after that I have no Idea because political ideologies are so different.

The way it is right now is like a pressure cooker and its building up pressure and on the verge of getting ready to blow. In effect I'm not worried about a Con-Con or new Constitution its all disinformation in my opinion to keep the people that are on to the plans to keep them occupied with something else then what is really going on.

Like a magic trick, watch my hand over here while my other one is doing the real magic. I wouldn't worry about it America will eventually cease to exists as we know it and it will eventually be divided up into different regions and countries.

In conclusion no need to worry about anything there are a lot of p'd off people right now and they are just waiting when there is nothing to lose before the jump off happens. When it does I hope you pick the right side because I have a feeling the loosing side will be 'purged' so to speak.

Yes, if they "passed" the New Constitution then that would present a whole new paradigm of government. But it would work only if it was ratified by the majority of the states. Would states want to give up what sovereignty they have ("states rights")? Or would there desperation (ie, bankruptcy) force the issue (ie, no choice)? Do TPTB really want a revolution/civil war which seems like they would seem to be risking their entire venture (all or nothing)?

Here in Canada we have 4 significant political parties. Beside the two main parties, we have a minority socialist party and a regional one in French Canada. That means alternative governmental structures if a large percentage of us ever have a problem with the way the governmanet is run. In fact just this month the 3 parties that lost in the last election formed a coalition which can legitimately oust the majority parliament and country's leader.

In the US what organization or infrastructure is there for taking control if millions want to revolt?
A lot of people complain in the US about the dominance of the two political parties, but no alternative opposition has ever gained critical mass. Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, Ross Perot, all managed to get large number of votes but their organizations were personality driven.

If there's a new American revolution brewing, who what and where are the rallying points? Where will their tanks come from?

Lone groups of gunmen against the US military? Revolutions are different from anarchy, they require organization. Where is the charismatic fighting leader that will liberate Americans?

btw this week is the 50th anniversary of Castro’s revolution in Cuba.

Viva la Revolucion!


Mike F

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What a GREAT find!!! Personally I have enough land, guns, and like minded neighbors to be too concerned about detainment...Death First!(copyrighted)

I think this may be the underlying information "we" have had no privy to, that is why "we" have not tried to prepare for such an event, however the steps laid out by a previous poster are pretty close to actual steps currently in place. Hmmmm...looking forward to working with those of "us" who not only don't benefit from this, but who will outright oppose this bastardization of the America I served to protect, and love.

Just off the top, towards the rear of my mind...didn't John Titor make some mention of like happenings? Here's to the shotgun gangs, and rural rule. I'm not so sure the new capitol should be in Lincoln though. I guess we'll talk about that at a more appropriate time...

Skeptic Overlord...your thoughts?

I knew about the Constitutional Convention for the last month. In Ohio, people testified against it and the state reps sent the decision to the Senate. This is the first time I saw anything about the actual New Constitution.

What the hell happened to the fifth amendment and the second amendment? This will not be the United States of America if we do not have the right to bare arms!

And now our Christian Nation will have no public support for religion? This is absolutely ridiculous!!

Right now the Ohio Senate is preparing a date to vote on this new CON CON. Make sure everyone sends a letter to the state representatives plus the state legislators and let them know the dangers of what can happen in this Convention.

I will post all of the information that everyone will need shortly

This is an interesting thread. I highly doubt that the democrats would let something like this happen. especially since Bush changed most of the republicans into democrats during his 8 years of power.

The Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara, California was an important liberal think tank from 1959 to 1969, declining in influence thereafter. It was considered to be part of the New Left.[citation needed]

It was founded in 1959 by Robert M. Hutchins.

Fellows of the Center included: Stringfellow Barr, from 1959 to 1969; education philosopher Frederick Mayer ("A History of Educational Thought"); Linus Pauling, from 1963 to 1967; Bishop James A. Pike, from 1966 to 1969; Robert Kurt Woetzel; and Harvey Wheeler.

In 1969 Hutchins reorganized the Center. Many associates departed. New appointees included, among others, Alexander Comfort, later to attain fame as the author of The Joy of Sex; Bertrand de Jouvenel; and Stanford biologist Paul R. Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb.

Harry Ashmore was its president from 1969 to 1974.

After Hutchins' death in 1977, the Center found it difficult to raise funds. It became affiliated with the University of California at Santa Barbara, which sold its real estate. The Center absorbed the Fund for the Republic, a civil rights and civil liberties foundation, in 1979.

The Center closed in 1987.

Robert M. Hutchins himself has some interesting quotes under his name.

Our universities have become "high-class flophouses where parents send their children to keep them off the labor market and out of their own hair." (1954, qtd. in Martin Gardner, The Night is Large)
# "A world community can only exist with world communication, which means something more than extensive shortwave facilities scattered about the globe. It means common understanding, a common tradition, common ideas and common ideals."-Hutchins

# If the GI Bill is passed, "colleges and universities will find themselves converted into educational hobo jungles."

# "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment."-Hutchins

He apparently had no love for the 'commercialization' of collegiate sports - having pulled the University of Chicago out of the then "Big 10."

The Center's leadership change to Harry Ashmore was interesting since Ashmore was a fervent integrationist and seemingly equally dedicated to peace with Viet Nam during the 'police action' years.

Both of the Center's leaders died in Santa Barbara California.

Another notable member of this organization's board was former Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court, where he earned the nickname "The Great Dissenter" and the "Lone Ranger" - he was often at odds with his fellow justices and was subjected to impeachment attempts throughout his career there. He was not a favorite 'son' of the ruling elite, it appears.

Under these gentlemen's guidance the Proposed Constitution for the Newstates of America ( www.sweetliberty.org... ) was engineered to address the common thinking at the time. It's twelve articles are written in the modern vernacular, and at first glance depart from our current constitution in ways which reflected the authors responses to the social environment at the time.

It has problems that must be addressed, but the question is whether we will be able to address them, or will our 'representatives' do that for us..., sort of like they did with the ongoing bailout exercise.

An interestig example might be the reference to the The Court of Rights and Responsibilities - a scary thought to those who demand that personal ideologies not be given the force of law. Also, the leadership (governance) of such entities as the "Newstates" shall be are now populated under the oversight of the "Electoral Branch" of government under the leadership of a senatorial appointment of an "Overseer"..., I strongly suspect the authors were 'sensitive' to what was happening tot he existing political party system.

It creates a 9-year Presidential term, with TWO Vice Presidents.

I suspect that this document deserves a read for those of you interested in what these people were thinking at the time.

I still maintain that our problem is not within our Constitution, it's within our political party system.

Very good work here. Alot of this is already known. Did you know the LA Times published an article about needing an new constitution:

articles.latimes.com...

and here is another interesting one - from the Center for a New Constitution - they dont list a phone number but they do an address and email:

patriot.net...

It would be interesting to see who is financing them!

Thanks again for the great post!

Ok - one more you HAVE to see! Its along the same lines of this post and goes a little more in depth.

dprogram.net...

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Whoa! That's a serious addition! Very inflammatory and alarming reading. Thanks, it'll take me quite a while to digest all that!

Everyone needs to check out this link now!! I cannot believe that this post only got 43 flags!! What the hell happened to The United States of America? I am so disappointed, honestly. THis is a sad time for the freest of nations.

sorry forgot the link:

www.msplinks.com...