Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve!

Originally posted by Raustin
reply to post by Avenginggecko

 

You do realize that is by far the most any president elect has ever, ever had to do to show his eligibility?

So what? There has never been this much controversy over the eligibility. I think those five little steps are very appropriate in ending the questions. I highly doubt Obama was not properly vetted, but I also cannot understand why he won't man up and give proof he is eligible.

The controversy has all been baseless...

the So what? Is you saying that you believe in double standards, that this president should be discriminated against because of baselss lawsuits.

He has already PROVED he is eligible.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

The SCOTUS did not comment on why or anything. So how do you draw that conclusion? If it was a non issue, then why did supreme court justice Thomas refer it? Because he had some political bias against Obama? Or because he felt it had enough merit TO refer it?

Thomas refered it for conference because it was FIRST submitted to Justice Suiter and denied. Then it was refered to Thomas...and then they decided rather than have it denied and re-submitted to EVERY justice one-by-one...Once it was shown that Leo was going to continue with every justice...better to schedule a conference and SUMMARILY dismiss it so it wouldn't continue to be sent complete with the right wing blogosphere spinning it every which way but loose with every submission.

I have looked at this case VERY closely. There was nothing here worth considering for the Supreme Court. It's amazing how much thoroughly disproven crap is still being tossed about as if it was credible.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by maybereal11]

Why is there even a question as to the citizenship of Obama? Heck, I'm a McCain supporter, and I don't even get why there is a question. Obama is born of an American mother. He, at the least, has dual citizenship. He is definitely considered an American citizen. Are we just a bunch of sore losers? Why don't we get behind this man and support him so we can save this economy, and stop this bickering. Do you want a financial collapse to continue?

reply to post by robotically



can you share your sources where he claims his heritage as Arab American at Harvard, please. I would like to take a moment to look into your claims.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

The SCOTUS did not comment on why or anything. So how do you draw that conclusion? If it was a non issue, then why did supreme court justice Thomas refer it? Because he had some political bias against Obama? Or because he felt it had enough merit TO refer it?

Thomas refered it for conference because it was FIRST submitted to Justice Suiter and denied. Then it was refered to Thomas...and then they decided rather than have it denied and re-submitted to EVERY justice one-bu-one...Once it was shown that Leo was going to continue with every justice...better to schedule a conference and SUMMARILY dismiss it so it wouldn't continue to be sent complete with the right wing blogosphere spinning it every which way but loose with every submission.

I have looked at this case VERY closely. There was nothing here worth considering for the Supreme Court. It's amazing how much thoroughly disproven crap is still being tossed about as if it was credible.

I don't understand why TrueAmerican doesn't get this. I think it's simply his/her hunger for conspiracy.

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Lol, none, there is no proof, there is only evidence, 'undisputable proof' for you, it seems, has been a BC on the internet? Gimme 2 hours, i could get my birth certificate to say I was born on Mars, catch my drift? It ain't hard.

So again, Dr. Chiyome Fukino is a perjurer, according to you, and redhatty, and kozmo.

I think he is their for a reason, I never thought he would get booted out, can you understand the possibility of race riots if the first black president was disgraced and vooted out? Despite the evidence he was 'illegitimate'.

Again, what "evidence"? You are aware that in the USA you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, right? Or are they not teaching that in school anymore?

IMO, he is a gimmick, a distraction to show people of America and the world that America is the land of equality, the land of integrity, the land of justice.

I know, I know, I'm crazy.

You said it, not me.

Lol, what 'agency'? Well, would you accept it if NASA told you there where no such things as UFO's and showed you pictures with no anomalies in it?

Apples and Oranges, my foolish adversary. Comparing government/scientific control over information regarding a transient phenomenon such as UFOs to a President Elect's Birth Certificate is ludicrous.

Maybe so, but this does not determine truth, until you have seen it yourself and verified it yourself, you are accepting other people's opinions, any one of these people could be lying for some reason and most of these have gone on other peoples opinions and say so, generally those with more power and influence.

So everybody is just lying. Are you seriously saying you will consider Obama illegitimate until you yourself see the BC and somehow verify it for yourself? You do realize the burden of proof you've just set forth is literally impossible to meet?

I have given my honest answer, there is no proof, only bodies of evidence with which we make our assumptions and suppositions, so stop calling people crazy, we are just different.

But there is a concept and legal definition of "proof". Our entire legal system is based on it. Makes no difference because your statement is a blatant attempt to dodge the question. You've made it clear there is no "body of evidence" that will convince you of Obama's citizenship. You're an irrational troll looking for fights. I hope you're satisfied with yourself.

[edit on 12/8/2008 by The Nighthawk]

Originally posted by kozmo
Let's be intellectually honest here... His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth - IN KENYA.

I believe the woman is just confused!

I don't know how many brothers Obama has, but I have heard that he does have at least one in Kenya!

His grandmother probably is confusing the brother (or is it half brother) in Kenya's birth with Obama's!

It's days like this I wish ATS had a filtering system like Slashdot.



At least I could turn the noise level down rather consistently.

Originally posted by robotically
Well lets see, he was the first "Arab American" to be the president of the Harvard Law Review.

He was the first African-American to be president of the Harvard Law Review, yes.

However you know as well as I do that the American people based a vote on racist presumptions of ethnic identity and tied it to physical appearance as you are clearly demonstrating now.

I think people voted for Obama because they believe he was the best candidate, despite his ethnicity.

I’m demonstrating people voted for him because of his ethnicity? What are you talking about?

Do your homework please, if you are going to debate me on this, you had better be prepared. For instance, You will find that his father was officially classified as "Arab African" by the Kenyan government. Like I said do your homework then we'll talk.

If you’ve done your homework, it’ll be fairly easy to post all the sources for your claims.

Originally posted by Keyhole

Originally posted by kozmo
Let's be intellectually honest here... His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth - IN KENYA.

I believe the woman is just confused!

I don't know how many brothers Obama has, but I have heard that he does have at least one in Kenya!

His grandmother probably is confusing the brother (or is it half brother) in Kenya's birth with Obama's!

The Grandmother was talking about Barack Obama Senior. I have seen this proven a dozen times on ATS and once on this thread already.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by pjslug
Obama's grandmother said she was present in Kenya when Obama was born? Is that true or false?

I have my doubts. BUt bear with me:

Here's the tape

This is supposed to be Obama's GRANDmother, but all the while, the Bishop (interviewer) is talking about her SON. At approx. 3:20 on the tape, the Bishop says, "You can rest assured I am praying for your son". But then corrects himself.

When the translator answers, he says to the Bishop, "She says she is cover your prayers for her SON." (which makes no sense, but SHE said her SON.)

Then the Bishop asks about HIS birthplace. (no name, just pronoun)

She answers that she was present when Obama was born. OBAMA. Also the name of Barack Obama's FATHER.

Remember, this woman is Sarah... NOT Barack Obama's blood grandmother, but the third wife of his grandfather, so it is VERY possible that she was present when Barack's FATHER was born. In Kenya.

Obama Family Tree

***I entirely expect the next page of this thread to contain someone bringing up the Grandmother thing again as if it wasn't ever explained.

Sooo frustrating!

The Kenyan Ambassador stating he was born there is also bunk...

LISTEN to it. The ambassador answers the idiotic question by stating that his "Paternal Grandmother is still Alive" and then when the radio hosts keep asking the about Obama being born there he responds that OBAMA's FATHER also named "Barak Obama" was born there, ....the ambassador goes as far as saying "Senior" to try to help these guys out.

At NO TIME does the Ambassodor say Pres. Elect Obama was born in Kenya. He does try to correct these guys twice with more courtessy than these two dufuses deserved.

To further the context...When the ambassador says Obama "was an economist" that worked with the Kenyan Government...HE IS TALKING ABOUT PRES. ELECT OBAMA's FATHER

Barack Hussein Obama SENIOR (1936–1982) was a Kenyan senior governmental economist.

Originally posted by robotically
Listen ConservativeFreak, I am a US Marine, don't talk to me about patriotism. I have show with blood sweat and tears that I love this country just as much as the next guy. You understand that you are basically condemning those who seek the truth. I just don't buy everything that is spoon fed to me, get it? Now, if you have something constructive to say then speak, otherwise can it!

Calling ME a Conservative!!!!

That's like calling Limbaugh a Communist.

I'm a Socialist by philosophy and a Democrat for reasons of practicality.

I'm not "condemning those who seek the truth". I'm both amused and angered by those to whom the truth has been repeatedly shown, and yet they refuse to accept it regardless of how many officials and experts verify the information.

The Hawaii State Department of Health verified it. That's not enough for you.

Obama put it up on the Web. That's not enough for you.

There are books, there are pictures, there's a whole wealth of information out there telling the life story of this man who rose from nothing to become the Leader of the Free World. And it's not enough for you.

But maybe that's the real problem. I think some folks here on ATS have gotten so involved and so self-invested in conspiracy theory and NWO and so on and so forth that they lose their ability to accept anything as fact.

I can see how someone so affected would have a hard time believing a man like Obama can exist and accomplish all that he has. I can see how someone so paranoid could find themselves unable to accept at face value a man who has made such acheivements through the very same hard work and determination they claim to venerate.

No, it must be a trick, right? He has to be a NWO plant, because what he did was just impossible in our current world.

No, it's much more fun to believe in your heart of hearts that everything you know is wrong and nobody could ever become President unless the "Powers That Be" make it happen.

I think the Liar gets in and stays in. I heard last week that "O", the holy one , is in the Bible. Ez 38: 1-2 in Hebrew with a 7 letter skip code. I think this whole thing stinks but he does rule. I have a feeling it won't be good but it can't be stopped, it's actually in the Bible. They said it's the old spelling but there it is. Luck has it that few believe the Bible these days.

All of these challenges are nothing more than an attempt to de-legitimize the Obama presidency before it even begins... just so many sour grapes.

The Hawaii Sec. of State has confirmed the birth certificate is real and that should be that but nnnnooooo.... some die hard's just won't quit.

The supreme court set a dangerous precedent intervening in the 2000 elections and these lawsuits are a direct result of that intervention...

.... they would have to be mad to meddle again. And if they did it would be a disaster for the country...

We cannot be allowed to start settling elections via lawsuit... to do so will be the death of our system.

Are you people so simple as to believe that the Supreme court dismissed this out of hand without at the very least looking at it?

But then the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost could come down and verify that Barack Obama was born in the United States and these idiots still wouldn't believe it and claim it is some sort of conspiracy... and all I can say is...

...FOR CHRISTS SAKE GET A FRICKIN LIFE!!! GET OVER IT EVEN, YOUR SIDE LOST.

After all isn't that what you told us in 2000?

[edit on 8-12-2008 by grover]

reply to post by The Nighthawk

Dr. Chiyome Fukino is a perjurer

Person has to swear under oath and then be caught in a lie before being a perjurer. Fukino has never sworn under oath. The reason this person came out and gave this statement at such a late time in the ball game leaves the person open to criticism and a possible conflict of interest whether Obama's BC is valid or not. Do you believe your state would come out and make a statement about your BC if you were running for governor without you giving them permission to do so?

One question, because I read someone mention it earlier on the thread:

To this date, has anyone actually seen or heard the tape of Obama's grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya?

If he is a British subject, then the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the United Kingdom will hold the information. The only information the British has on Obama states:

Hussein Onyango Obama (his grandfather), a British soldier in the second world war, was locked up as a Mau Mau rebel in Kenya. He was also tortured.

Barack Obama’s grandfather was imprisoned and brutally tortured by the British during the violent struggle for Kenyan independence, according to the Kenyan family of the US President-elect.

Hussein Onyango Obama, Mr Obama’s paternal grandfather, became involved in the Kenyan independence movement while working as a cook for a British army officer after the war. He was arrested in 1949 and jailed for two years in a high-security prison where, according to his family, he was subjected to horrific violence to extract information about the growing insurgency.

TimesOnline

Thank God these loons (and that is not to insult Loons) are not representative of the average American because if they were the whole nation would have to be put in a padded cell.

reply to post by grover

FOR CHRISTS SAKE GET A FRICKIN LIFE!!! GET OVER IT EVEN, YOUR SIDE LOST

Just like people should have gotten over Bush beating Gore instead of the election was stolen.

I have no beef with the BC. I do have a beef with people trying to chide other people for not seeing it their way. If people feel that Obama is a mojado and feel they can prove it then they have every right to do so. It is equivalent to people wanting to charge Bush with crimes. If you can prove it go for it. Stranger things have happened. From my standpoint neither side is going to change their opinion and this thread will join the 20 other BC thread in lenght. The easiest way to end all is for Obama to have a Rally in Hawaii live where he is asking, getting, and showing his birth certificate in person. It won't solve the problem 100% but 99% would put it to rest.

Originally posted by jam321
Person has to swear under oath and then be caught in a lie before being a perjurer. Fukino has never sworn under oath. The reason this person came out and gave this statement at such a late time in the ball game leaves the person open to criticism and a possible conflict of interest whether Obama's BC is valid or not. Do you believe your state would come out and make a statement about your BC if you were running for governor without you giving them permission to do so?

Maybe "perjurer" was a poor choice of words--but, since some (especially those Right-Wingers who hounded Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal) consider all State and Federal officials to be "under oath" and thus subject to perjury if they falsify information, maybe it's not such a poor choice after all.

Either way--you're still asserting that the Hawaii State Director of Health is a liar.

Again, you've fallen so far down the rabbit hole you landed on your head, and lost your ability to reason.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed.

And they did not even comment.

Well there ya have it, folks, good news to some, sad news to others.

With as much interest as there is in this, I have to admit to being a little surprised, but not much. As of today I have no further respect for the current lineup in the SCOTUS. :shk:

And I will bet that this is not the last we will hear of this.

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Although I fully expect to suffer some ridicule for this I am going to post it anyway.

There is right, there is wrong, and there is the way it sometimes has to be. I cannot stand the sight of Obama; however, I would tend to agree with the court's refusal to hear the case for one reason and one reason only. I have a big fear that if Obama would have been declared ineligible that it would have thrown this country into immediate civil war and the implementation of a police state. The black community would never stand for this whether or not it was right, and it would make the riots of the late sixties look like a child's game.

The fault here truly lies with the democratic committee and in my opinion these are the people who should be punished and forced out of any office they may hold. It was their responsibility to ensure that their candidate met the eligibility requirements. This may very well be the reason we still even have a president in this country, he is someone to point the finger at when those pulling his strings do something wrong. The people who put this man (for lack of a better word) in office are in fact criminals and have made a mockery of our constitution and our country.

Like I said, this post I am sure will not be popular; however, unless you favor civil war, this was the appropriate decision.

Happy Holidays to all!

[edit on 12/8/2008 by DarrylGalasso]