Originally posted by TrueAmerican

The SCOTUS did not comment on why or anything. So how do you draw that conclusion? If it was a non issue, then why did supreme court justice Thomas refer it? Because he had some political bias against Obama? Or because he felt it had enough merit TO refer it?

Thomas refered it for conference because it was FIRST submitted to Justice Suiter and denied. Then it was refered to Thomas...and then they decided rather than have it denied and re-submitted to EVERY justice one-by-one...Once it was shown that Leo was going to continue with every justice...better to schedule a conference and SUMMARILY dismiss it so it wouldn't continue to be sent complete with the right wing blogosphere spinning it every which way but loose with every submission.

I have looked at this case VERY closely. There was nothing here worth considering for the Supreme Court. It's amazing how much thoroughly disproven crap is still being tossed about as if it was credible.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by maybereal11]

Why is there even a question as to the citizenship of Obama? Heck, I'm a McCain supporter, and I don't even get why there is a question. Obama is born of an American mother. He, at the least, has dual citizenship. He is definitely considered an American citizen. Are we just a bunch of sore losers? Why don't we get behind this man and support him so we can save this economy, and stop this bickering. Do you want a financial collapse to continue?

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

The SCOTUS did not comment on why or anything. So how do you draw that conclusion? If it was a non issue, then why did supreme court justice Thomas refer it? Because he had some political bias against Obama? Or because he felt it had enough merit TO refer it?

Thomas refered it for conference because it was FIRST submitted to Justice Suiter and denied. Then it was refered to Thomas...and then they decided rather than have it denied and re-submitted to EVERY justice one-bu-one...Once it was shown that Leo was going to continue with every justice...better to schedule a conference and SUMMARILY dismiss it so it wouldn't continue to be sent complete with the right wing blogosphere spinning it every which way but loose with every submission.

I have looked at this case VERY closely. There was nothing here worth considering for the Supreme Court. It's amazing how much thoroughly disproven crap is still being tossed about as if it was credible.

I don't understand why TrueAmerican doesn't get this. I think it's simply his/her hunger for conspiracy.

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Lol, none, there is no proof, there is only evidence, 'undisputable proof' for you, it seems, has been a BC on the internet? Gimme 2 hours, i could get my birth certificate to say I was born on Mars, catch my drift? It ain't hard.

So again, Dr. Chiyome Fukino is a perjurer, according to you, and redhatty, and kozmo.

I think he is their for a reason, I never thought he would get booted out, can you understand the possibility of race riots if the first black president was disgraced and vooted out? Despite the evidence he was 'illegitimate'.

Again, what "evidence"? You are aware that in the USA you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, right? Or are they not teaching that in school anymore?

IMO, he is a gimmick, a distraction to show people of America and the world that America is the land of equality, the land of integrity, the land of justice.

I know, I know, I'm crazy.

You said it, not me.

Lol, what 'agency'? Well, would you accept it if NASA told you there where no such things as UFO's and showed you pictures with no anomalies in it?

Apples and Oranges, my foolish adversary. Comparing government/scientific control over information regarding a transient phenomenon such as UFOs to a President Elect's Birth Certificate is ludicrous.

Maybe so, but this does not determine truth, until you have seen it yourself and verified it yourself, you are accepting other people's opinions, any one of these people could be lying for some reason and most of these have gone on other peoples opinions and say so, generally those with more power and influence.

So everybody is just lying. Are you seriously saying you will consider Obama illegitimate until you yourself see the BC and somehow verify it for yourself? You do realize the burden of proof you've just set forth is literally impossible to meet?

I have given my honest answer, there is no proof, only bodies of evidence with which we make our assumptions and suppositions, so stop calling people crazy, we are just different.

But there is a concept and legal definition of "proof". Our entire legal system is based on it. Makes no difference because your statement is a blatant attempt to dodge the question. You've made it clear there is no "body of evidence" that will convince you of Obama's citizenship. You're an irrational troll looking for fights. I hope you're satisfied with yourself.

[edit on 12/8/2008 by The Nighthawk]

Originally posted by kozmo
Let's be intellectually honest here... His own grandmother said she witnessed his birth - IN KENYA.

I believe the woman is just confused!

I don't know how many brothers Obama has, but I have heard that he does have at least one in Kenya!

His grandmother probably is confusing the brother (or is it half brother) in Kenya's birth with Obama's!

It's days like this I wish ATS had a filtering system like Slashdot.



At least I could turn the noise level down rather consistently.

Originally posted by robotically
Well lets see, he was the first "Arab American" to be the president of the Harvard Law Review.

He was the first African-American to be president of the Harvard Law Review, yes.

However you know as well as I do that the American people based a vote on racist presumptions of ethnic identity and tied it to physical appearance as you are clearly demonstrating now.

I think people voted for Obama because they believe he was the best candidate, despite his ethnicity.

I’m demonstrating people voted for him because of his ethnicity? What are you talking about?

Do your homework please, if you are going to debate me on this, you had better be prepared. For instance, You will find that his father was officially classified as "Arab African" by the Kenyan government. Like I said do your homework then we'll talk.

If you’ve done your homework, it’ll be fairly easy to post all the sources for your claims.

Originally posted by robotically
Listen ConservativeFreak, I am a US Marine, don't talk to me about patriotism. I have show with blood sweat and tears that I love this country just as much as the next guy. You understand that you are basically condemning those who seek the truth. I just don't buy everything that is spoon fed to me, get it? Now, if you have something constructive to say then speak, otherwise can it!

Calling ME a Conservative!!!!

That's like calling Limbaugh a Communist.

I'm a Socialist by philosophy and a Democrat for reasons of practicality.

I'm not "condemning those who seek the truth". I'm both amused and angered by those to whom the truth has been repeatedly shown, and yet they refuse to accept it regardless of how many officials and experts verify the information.

The Hawaii State Department of Health verified it. That's not enough for you.

Obama put it up on the Web. That's not enough for you.

There are books, there are pictures, there's a whole wealth of information out there telling the life story of this man who rose from nothing to become the Leader of the Free World. And it's not enough for you.

But maybe that's the real problem. I think some folks here on ATS have gotten so involved and so self-invested in conspiracy theory and NWO and so on and so forth that they lose their ability to accept anything as fact.

I can see how someone so affected would have a hard time believing a man like Obama can exist and accomplish all that he has. I can see how someone so paranoid could find themselves unable to accept at face value a man who has made such acheivements through the very same hard work and determination they claim to venerate.

No, it must be a trick, right? He has to be a NWO plant, because what he did was just impossible in our current world.

No, it's much more fun to believe in your heart of hearts that everything you know is wrong and nobody could ever become President unless the "Powers That Be" make it happen.

I think the Liar gets in and stays in. I heard last week that "O", the holy one , is in the Bible. Ez 38: 1-2 in Hebrew with a 7 letter skip code. I think this whole thing stinks but he does rule. I have a feeling it won't be good but it can't be stopped, it's actually in the Bible. They said it's the old spelling but there it is. Luck has it that few believe the Bible these days.

All of these challenges are nothing more than an attempt to de-legitimize the Obama presidency before it even begins... just so many sour grapes.

The Hawaii Sec. of State has confirmed the birth certificate is real and that should be that but nnnnooooo.... some die hard's just won't quit.

The supreme court set a dangerous precedent intervening in the 2000 elections and these lawsuits are a direct result of that intervention...

.... they would have to be mad to meddle again. And if they did it would be a disaster for the country...

We cannot be allowed to start settling elections via lawsuit... to do so will be the death of our system.

Are you people so simple as to believe that the Supreme court dismissed this out of hand without at the very least looking at it?

But then the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost could come down and verify that Barack Obama was born in the United States and these idiots still wouldn't believe it and claim it is some sort of conspiracy... and all I can say is...

...FOR CHRISTS SAKE GET A FRICKIN LIFE!!! GET OVER IT EVEN, YOUR SIDE LOST.

After all isn't that what you told us in 2000?

[edit on 8-12-2008 by grover]

One question, because I read someone mention it earlier on the thread:

To this date, has anyone actually seen or heard the tape of Obama's grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya?

Thank God these loons (and that is not to insult Loons) are not representative of the average American because if they were the whole nation would have to be put in a padded cell.

Originally posted by jam321
Person has to swear under oath and then be caught in a lie before being a perjurer. Fukino has never sworn under oath. The reason this person came out and gave this statement at such a late time in the ball game leaves the person open to criticism and a possible conflict of interest whether Obama's BC is valid or not. Do you believe your state would come out and make a statement about your BC if you were running for governor without you giving them permission to do so?

Maybe "perjurer" was a poor choice of words--but, since some (especially those Right-Wingers who hounded Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal) consider all State and Federal officials to be "under oath" and thus subject to perjury if they falsify information, maybe it's not such a poor choice after all.

Either way--you're still asserting that the Hawaii State Director of Health is a liar.

Again, you've fallen so far down the rabbit hole you landed on your head, and lost your ability to reason.