Pakistan, India troops exchange fire at Chakoti sector!!!!!!!

Well with the way the crisis is going. When there will be civil unrest in America: And knowing 20.000+ troops are ready to be deployed on American streets; Bush can use PDD51 to give some real change not seen before. In any case i'd say that it does not make a difference which puppet will be president. The people behind the curtain pulling the strings are in control. Just don't let them take away your guns!

Wanted to add the Fareed Zakaria interview with former ISI official Hamid Gul on CNN talking about 9/11 in perspective of the current terror in India, but as the first person was a Bilderberger and the last a past puppet for CIA i'd think maybe not at this time.

Curious about the captured terrorists though. Why are their faces hidden?

[edit on 7-12-2008 by Stranded]

these 2 exchanged fires for the past 2 decades.
every month or so.

nothing will come out of this. absolutely nothing.
and that is good

reply to post by eventHorizon


You are wrong.


[edit on 7-12-2008 by FearSoul]

With the way things are going, There will be more to come to this.

Originally posted by FearSoul
You are wrong.

He's not wrong, India and Pakistan have been exchanging fire across their borders for years. It's a common event in the region. It almost sounds like folks here are desperate for something to happen. What? You need something to tell your grandchildren about? Sheesh.

Did someone around here mention American, British ships concentrating in waters near Pakistan, India, Iran....

Guess what, there's more:
news.bbc.co.uk...

You know where that is? How far from Pakistan? 1/2/3 days. And in these waters there are also some Russian ships, Indian ships, more American ships, also French...

So, it's all coincidence. Suddenly, Somali pirates take over the busiest trade route in the region. Guys with RPG's capture a tanker with oil worth $100 million??? Now a chemicals cargo ship. Ukrainian ship loaded with weapons...

Do we really buy this? I think, this is really too transparent not to be put together. This is enormous amassing of military presence with a very lousy excuse.

Why is it so hard for both sides to see they are being played like a chess game ??

I know for a fact if this tit for tat goes to full on war i won't be putting my hand up to fight.

I just want to live in peace and go on with life with out conflict. Why is that so much to ask ? and I'm sure every day people in India and Pakistan feel the same way.

For sure the nukes will not!! be launched IMO

Firing across the border has been going on for years though there was a lull after Gen Musharraf took over. Now since the Pakistani Army is in control of Pakistan by proxy, this isn't surprising, as they are calling the shots. The democratically elected government is a lame duck one.

This latest incident was an exchange of only small arms firing. Earlier, before the ceasefire was declared a few years ago, there was regular artillery firing too including at Siachen which is the highest battle field in the world where troops guard the borders from heights ranging from 14,000 to 22,000 feet.

As to who started the firing is a moot question. This goes on all the time and there's nothing to panic about. All in a day's work!

Cheers!

Gentlemen let us now welcome World War 3.

Originally posted by baburak
reply to post by MegaCurious

 

Pakistan didn't attack India. The group of terrorists did.
This group does not represent the whole country and their way of thinking as it doesn't in any other part of the world.

This is a good point to keep in mind...

However, I think John McCain said recently (remember that guy...) that this is "India's 9/11" and that he wouldn't be surprised if India went into some sort of military adventure.

Not that a statement like that is completely relevant, but the situation between India and Pakistan was already stuffed with tinder.

Of course Pakistan is not directly responsible for these terrorist attacks, but they certainly are a convenient whipping boy.

It seems a bit like this:

Iraq - didn't have WMDs, still invaded because they were a convenient target

Pakistan - not responsible for latest terror attacks... 'fill in the blanks'

The terror groups are trying to draw the two countries into war, I think even by impersonating foreign ministers and such.

Pakistan is already teetering on economic collapse, it wouldn't take too much more for the house to cave in.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by mattguy404]

This is Not News

Just a line to add my endorsement to mikesingh and others who have pointed out that there is nothing special about this news. Indian and Pakistani troops are forever chucking bullets at each other across the Line of Control.

Here is the home page of the news site quoted in the OP. One look is enough to tell you what their politics are, and how much they are to be trusted. It's an amateurishly slanted right-wing, pro-military/ISI/Musharraf rag. They probably run rabble-rousing stories like this one every day.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
We have seen recent destabalizations on the Russian Border, an ally of China, will they have a play in this?

Aren't India and Russia allies though, also? I think India is a large customer for Russian arms as well, so I think it wouldn't be in Russia's best intrests to get involved in a squabble between 2 of its allies. Also, I always thought that Russia and China had (historically speaking) mutual distrust/dislike for each other, especially in the latter half of the cold war. After all, it seems the main thing they have in common is a desire ot counter the influence/military of the U.S.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

This is very real danger.

[edit on 7-12-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

I cannot agree more, star and flag.

We are looking at one of the possible flashpoints for WW3.

Both sides have several nukes, and legendary tempers.

Due to payments to appease the Muslims in Pakistan, Hindu
radicals killed their great statesman Mahatma Ghandi:

en.wikipedia.org...

The anger has been slow roiling for a long time and if it
is not calmed quickly it could boil over fast.

There have been several major incursions, and these are
just the ones of the modern day:

en.wikipedia.org...

I am hoping for the best, but I have been preparing for the worst
for a long time, and apparently the Russians share my concerns:

en.wikipedia.org...

Good Luck to you all !






[edit on 8-12-2008 by Ex_MislTech]

[edit on 8-12-2008 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by Astyanax
This is Not News

Here is the home page of the news site quoted in the OP. It's an amateurishly slanted right-wing, pro-military/ISI/Musharraf rag.

One point I'd like to make is Pakistan's "former" president was
forced out of office by the more radical Islamic leaning members
who have been angered by US attacks in the Pashtun areas.

Musharraf pushed from power by muslim coalition

The US marionette is gone, our strings are cut, and the ISI's ppl
who conspired with the Kabul bombings a few months back no
longer have the former US marionette to contend with.

We may have some insertions in the ISI, but I dare say in this
11th hour things are swinging decidedly radically Islamic.

But of course we are ALL entitled to our opinions.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

If this follows through we will have complete regional destabalization and possibly further destabalization as China is drug in on behalf of Pakistan to counter India's authority in the region. This could get very ugly, even if Nukes aren't in play.

What is the play here?

China will not come in on Pakistan's side even though they
have better terms of late.

China will kill its own ppl in democracy riots, they will not
risk all out war with India over a "small" customer.

If this stays conventional ALL parties know that Pakistan will lose
due to the sheer size of the Indian population-military.

Pakistan = 172 million ppl
India = 1,147 million ppl

Roughly 9 times the ppl.

So in desperation and in suicidal style they may turn to the nukes.

This will be a fatal error, and will be the end of Pakistan, and
likely the beginning of WW3.

Here is a very simplified comparison of the two:

India vs. Pakistan stats wise

That is why Pakistan would be more likely to consider nukes,
but would pay horribly for doing so.

In fact I think the US has agreed to counter strike on India's
behalf if they are nuked into inaction, and India gives the nod.

If so the missile subs in the Indian Ocean will decimate Pakistan,
and then we are looking down the barrel of WW3.

This is so much more dangerous than most ppl realize.

As I said in another post you have to remember that Hindu
radicals killed Ghandi for paying appeasment to Pakistan to
try to smooth relations over and prevent an all out war.

To kill one of their own and best ppl as a msg tells of the
wild animal that is waiting to set loose from its cage.

They truly have done an amazing job in keeping it from
boiling over up to this point.

This Mumbai incident has Hindus marching in the streets with
swords in the air with banners saying "Attack Pakistan now !"

This could add another war to list of the several prior wars there.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Jay-in-AR

 

You're right. The US wouldn't invade Iran. Wouldn't need to. Just launch two-score nukes, and the problem is solved.

For generations.

The US will not need to launch the nukes, Israel has dozens of
their own and with the Iranian president's threats Israel just
might go that path if they feel backed into a corner.

A scared small country that is out numbered with damn near
100 nukes and some of the best pilots on earth is a VERY
dangerous thing.

With an initial barrage of radar homing missiles iran will
be largely blind when the hammer falls.

Then you can queue WW3, and most if not all of the middle east
going just about completely bezerk.

Originally posted by aleon1018
I'm curious that after the US had given Pakistan perhaps billions of dollars and we are supposedly friends with both, are we remaining neutral?

Where do both of these countries get their arms from? What does each country have in the way of weapons? and how many nukes that we know of, do each of them now have?

Anyone?

Global Security has some good info on both, as does Wikipedia.

But be assured India out guns Pakistan massively.

With the president of pakistan that was in accord with the US gone,
the Muslim coalition has assumed control of the government.

If India enters Pakistan in force I expect to see Nukes fly,
and then it gets real ugly after that, queue WW3.

Originally posted by baburak
reply to post by MegaCurious

 

Pakistan didn't attack India. The group of terrorists did.
This group does not represent the whole country and their way of thinking as it doesn't in any other part of the world.

Sit down, have a drink, have some toilet paper handy and read this:

Possible ISI link to Mumbai bombings

Late night mystery call almost sent India and Pakistan to war

This has been brewing for awhile.

This will be another one of several wars that have taken place
between the two just in the last 60 years.

The big difference is nuclear weapons this time.

Yes this is WW3 just like isreal invasion of leb. was WW3 , Georgia's attack of russia was WW3 and how Russia's military exersises with Venezuela was WW3

Grow up people
It looks like you WANT it to happen for christ sakes