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Originally posted by Brothers
From what I have read so far in these comments then if the Summerians started it then the Torah and Bilble as well as the Koran are wrong. Which make them false. Gee. I wonder how the people who believe in them will think about that.
Originally posted by zamolxis
Christianity is just one more religion in the history of humanity ... like many others before it and many others possibly after. There is no more proof for the Christian God than there is for the Greek Gods.
Some of us are still too afraid to face "living" without an "imaginary protective father"! Too bad this "father" (be it Jewish, Sumerian, Greek or anything you wish), allows so much evil in this world - and doesn't do anything to protect millions of us from it, each and every year ...
As Epicurus wrote hundreds of years before christianity was even born:
"If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?"
Originally posted by zamolxis
So are you saying God allows evil to "teach us a lesson"?
If a man kills a child he is the most evil person alive - but if God does it, it is to teach as a lesson and test our faith?
Is God allowing a child to die in agony from an incurable disease, to test the child's faith? That of the parents? Is that God worth loving? Nice way to teach!
Originally posted by zamolxis
Firstly, the Epicurus paradox is not a dogma. A "dogma" is defined as the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization, thought to be authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from. Thus the Epicurus paradox is pretty much the contrary to a "dogma".
Secondly, are you saying that we only consider something connecting to death as evil only because we are afraid of death? Or because death is forced upon us and thus the only evil commited is the infrigement on our free will - to continue living? In other words God says "Thou shall not kill" to us because we "simple humans" if killing would be infringing on someone's free will - but God can kill as whenever He wishes and that is not evil? That wouldn't infringe our free will to continue living?
What about the suffering preceding the death? Again, what about the agony a child, suffering from an incurable disease, may go through before finally being "allowed" by this kind God to die? Is that not an evil act of God? What about the suffering of the parents seing their child go through the pain? Is that a test of faith, again? Is that not evil?
Originally posted by badmedia
Would you rather be ignorant and have no understanding, and thus no free will?
[edit on 14-12-2008 by badmedia]
Originally posted by badmedia
As for the suffering preceding death, I am told that god takes their place for that, or is with the person for support, but I can not say for certain that is true, as in that case I am only going off what I've read, not what I know/experienced.
[edit on 14-12-2008 by badmedia]
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
When you realize that the only way out of this 'life of flesh' is to lay down your idea of 'FREE WILL' because you are here to learn how to do the ONE WILL OF THEE, a whole other light comes to the soul of our purpose. If anyone has a problem with this, it is ok, they are simply not ready for such a purpose...but it is a purpose for every single soul, at some point, at some life time. If you believe you have free will....you are still lost. You have not gave your life of flesh as an offering to be an instrument for THEE ONE WILL of all things.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
This material world is just a speak, a mark, in a much bigger process and a 'real 'life'. This life is minuscule to our 'true life' in the spirit.
When you realize that the only way out of this 'life of flesh' is to lay down your idea of 'FREE WILL' because you are here to learn how to do the ONE WILL OF THEE,
Its accepting the process 'as is' without playing the blame game. We might not like it...but it is what it is. By allowing the pain and sorrow to over come you...you are allowing the material world to over come your spirit...which is to rise above this place.