Obama Birth Certificate Rears Its Head - Again, page 5
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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 10:27 PM by Tinkabit
new :

www.rense.com...

and

www.associatedcontent.com...

and

www.worldnetdaily.com...

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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 11:32 PM by danx
Originally posted by Tinkabit
"Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.”


I'm having trouble finding any sources for this travel ban story on Pakistan in the 80s.

I thought Pakistan was a US ally in the 80s. And apparently that is the general consensus:
During the Soviet-Afghan War in the 1980s Pakistan was a major U.S. ally. But relations soured in the 1990s, when sanctions were applied by the U.S. over suspicions of Pakistan's nuclear activities. (source)


I found a reprint of a Washington Post article of 1998, that shows a table with the number and type of sanctions the US imposed on some countries.

We can see there an "Air and travel ban" on Angola in 1997, an "air travel ban" on Libya in 1978.

On Pakistan, however, we see this:
U.S. imposes limited sanctions (1979)
U.S. waives sanctions during Soviet intervention in Afghanistan (1980s)



Travel warnings on the other hand, are quite often, but do not impose a travel ban on citizens. For example, on this page on the State Department's website, we have a listing of the Current Travel Warnings.

Pakistan is listed with the date of November 21, 2008.
The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against non-essential travel to Pakistan in light of the threat of terrorist activity.



Does anyone have a source for this Pakistan travel ban in the 1980s? I find that story very fishy...


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 11:40 PM by danx
Originally posted by dalek
can anyone direct me to the ruling that prohibits foreign birthed children from getting the office of President?

its not a debate, just a question :-)


There's no law or ruling that specifically prohibits a foreign born person from being President. Article II Section I Clause 5 of the US Constitution states:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


Nowhere in the Constitution (or US law) "natural born" citizen is defined, but it is widely understood as someone who is born in the United States.

Section 101(a)(38) [8 U.S.C. 1101] of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides a definition for United States:
The term "United States", except as otherwise specifically herein provided, when used in a geographical sense, means the continental United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.




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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 01:31 AM by Muundoggie
reply to post by neil a


You do not know what you are talking about. That is NOT a Birth Certificate. It is a "Certificate of Live Birth." Completely a diferent form.
You or I can probably get one as well. And I was born in Germany.

Below is a line from the article you refer to:
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.

This is impossible as the "Original" birth certificate is sealed away from public viewing. Here FactCheck.org is telling a flat out LIE!

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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 05:58 AM by Adonsa
Hi,

This URL raises the possibility that Barry was born in Indonesia and adopted.
www.youtube.com...
as well as more analysis of his forged HI birth cert.

His rise to power resulted from failure of the Democratic National Committee to do their jobs and screen their candidate. So now we have a con-artist, drug user, drug dealer, and a liar who is about to take the oath.

He and his handlers missed the Dec 1st deadline to fork over the real birth certificate. Yeah, that's so labor intensive to do. They'll thumb their noses at the Dec 5th deadline as well. Barry is WAY above the law, and the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergs, and the Council on Foreign Relations will protect him for the next 8 years; and they're laughing their asses off at the voters.

Hillary could have shut him down early on but she didn't, Why not?


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 06:11 AM by blueorder
reply to post by DJMessiah


this "technicality" as you call it applies to everyone and is cast in stone- dont like it dont stand for office

Anything wrong with transparency?


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 06:16 AM by SpencerJ
reply to post by malcr


I feel compelled to respond to this idiot.



Surely this should apply to all president elects, which it hasn't. ...If a man called "Gordon Brown" was president elect would there be calls for his birth certificate.......NO and you all know it.


There was a similar dispute about John McCain early on, which started way back in the primaries, about whether or not he could be president. There were also questions way back in 1964 when Barry Goldwater ran, because he was born in Arizona territory, before they gained statehood.

Fact is, if McCain won, all you Obama supporters would probably be griping just the same, albeit modified arguments, about McCain's natural status. So please stfu.

So hang your head in shame, US citizens, for this continuing debacle.


Maybe you should hang your head, too. You're the one, after all, that is rattling off like a baseless retard.

Okay? Thanks.


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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 06:21 AM by blueorder
reply to post by SpencerJ


well said spencer- ironically these same people who are saying this is only emerging because he is black and/or democrat are somehow suggesting that the stated rules and criteria should NOT apply to him BECAUSE he is black and/or democrat!
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