Sorry Lucid ..so many posts to reply to at once ...I am doing my best along with cooking dinner ..going to Wal Mart for thanksgiving dinner fixens etc ..I am all finished with that for now though ..so
I will go and read it and give my response ..
In the mean time YOU GO FIRST >

Originally posted by Sparky63
God is not supporting any nation on the face of the earth today.
Maybe thats why Christ taught his followers to pray for Gods Kingdom to come. All nations today stand condemned in the eyes of God

For God to have abandoned a naton, he would at one time had to be supporting of it, approving of it, and declaring it's inhabitants to be "His People".

I tend to agree with you here Sparky, I think the USA did court Gods favor in that we established it with Christian principles and folks came here largely for religious freedom. People like the Quakers and the Puritans.

I think what MacArthur is getting at is as we have distanced ourselves from those roots and abandoned marriage and traditional values Gods favor has been removed. And the moral sewer we are now living in is a result of that truth suppression.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy


you will never win this battle as I know truth is on my side.

I seem to be confused... What is this "Truth" you speak of?... more importantly what is the Lie?

You know I just went and reread all of the posts ..and your all right ...this is pointless ..and no matter how nice anyone tries to be to some of you ...especially those of you who keep claiming to be so peaceful and loving and tolerant ....most of you are none of those things ..you accuse others of not being those things and with the same breath lash out intolerantly towards any other view (Well except for all your followers who star ya for being so TOLERANT ) ................


By the way ..while we are all on word lookup patrol here..why not look up that infamous word ..TOLERANT ....and gives us a lesson as what that word means exactly .....Or is the meaning of that word all changed to suit you too?If so then maybe you need to fill us in on the modern meaning of it ..

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Sorry Lucid ..

I will go and read it and give my response ..
In the mean time YOU GO FIRST >

Sorry Simplynoone.

I posted first. You are asking me to give my interpretation to that passage, but I already gave mine for another passage. Share your thoughts on that first so I know you are even willing to discuss my findings to begin with

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Well then you cant use a book written by DAWSON ...or Scientific data written BY SOME MAN >..........or some Animal behaviours noticed in the animal world ..(gay animals ) ....as meaning THEY ARE GAY >.(They are NOT GAY they are just HORNY so get over that already ) ......

Granted, as long as no one uses the writings of Dawson, et al, as the word of 'God'. As to homosexuality in nature, sorry but you are wrong. Seagulls mate for life with only one partner, and homosexuality is observed within the species. This is not the only monogamous species it is observed in. Research, it isn't just for breakfast anymore.

Please point out which ones Lucid ...then I am done here ....

This is just getting rediculous and is seriously annoying ..seriously sometimes I can hear yall snarling under your breath (behind the posts)......and can even feel you crawling all around like a snake in the grass with your fangs out ready to BITE ....

I would ask one question Lucid if I may ..since your picking at straws here .Lets just assume then the words used are incorrect ......
Do tell then what on earth they used to call Homosexuals throughout time ?
Since as you all say ..it has existed for eons ...and is so natural and normal in society ...then I am sure that there was something that it was called ..because I am sure it did not fall under the category of Heterosexual either ...
And I am pretty sure that MEN WITH MEN and WOMEN WITH WOMEN rules out what you said about it being misinterpreted .....that rules out Men with Boys too doesnt it >?

You can all argue till the cows come home about the meaning of the greek words, but you miss the principle behind Gods purpose for man.

The opening book of the Bible tells us: “A man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24) The Hebrew word “wife,” according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, “connotes one who is a female human being.” Jesus confirmed that those yoked together in marriage should be “male and female.”—Matthew 19:4.

Thus, God intended marriage to be a permanent and an intimate bond between a man and a woman. Men and women are designed to complement each other so they may be capable of satisfying each other’s emotional, spiritual, and sexual needs and desires.


The Bible is clear: God does not approve of or condone homosexual practices. He also disapproves of people who “consent with those practicing them.” (Romans 1:32)

(Romans 1:32) 32 Although these know full well the righteous decree of God, that those practicing such things are deserving of death, they not only keep on doing them but also consent with those practicing them.

And “marriage” cannot give homosexuality a cloak of respectability. God’s direction that “marriage be honorable among all” precludes homosexual unions, which he considers detestable.—Hebrews 13:4.

(Hebrews 13:4) 4 Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers. . .

God, as your God.

Never said to take the bible so literally. The bible was written by hundreds of men, over hundreds of years, stories passed on to one man to another.

The stories change once written from one man to the next. Each man has thier own viewpoint. The bible is a concution of all of these awash claims.

Why take the bible so literally bigwhammy?

Religion has it's good merit. But religion has now run it's course. We have to evolve to the next step. We must become awakened. These rules are becoming outdated with time. These commandments will not fit eternity.

My Spiritual guide told, me that homosexuality is apart of humanity and life, for a specific reason. For us to question what it is to be a man, and what it is to be a woman.

The divine is neither woman or man, feminine or Masculine gay or straight. It's just so happens man and woman was created into the human being. Not all animals and organisms need man and female to create their offspring. Homosexuality, transgender, transwhatever is perfectly normal in nature. Homosexuality is widespread in the Animal kingdom. Homosexuality was there long before the bible and it will be long after the bible. It does seem that anyone who destested homosexulity and written in the bible, forced their beliefs into the book. Human's are not perfect, and we do not have the perfect rulebook to this day to tell us what is morally right and what's morally wrong.


The main point, Bighammy projects is fear and hate. Nothing else. This is not progression in any shape make or form. Fear and hate holds you back. So it's not only homosexuality that's holding him back. He's holding himself back.


It will come a day in a few hundred years, where man and woman become one. The divine is just standing back paitently. The day where there is no gender. just the one being with the devine. It will be where the feminie and masculine will combine. But hey that's just my theory.