Would the real Antichrist Please stand up!, page 6

Originally posted by SaintlyMic

Originally by Ryanp5555
Okay, I'm gonna give this one more shot.

It was not me who brought up the definition of the word Christian and its meaning.
That was you in response to another post someone else had previously posted.

You confronted me that I should "put to rest" saying "TRUE Christian" rather than simply saying "Christian" because it is YOUR BELIEF that anyone who calls themselves a Christian is still a Christian.

Actually, I was talking to Incarnated saying that he was a christian whether or not he chose to accept the title. I said this because he is someone who follows Christ and his teachings. Thus, as defined, he is a Christian whether he accepts it or not. Then you came in and stated that not all people who call themselves are true christians and thus my definition of christian is wrong. Listen, my definition came from the dictionary. A dictionary's sole purpose is to define words. Therefore, a definition from a dictionary is accurate. Thus, my definition, which came from a dictionary, is NOT debatable. Only you started talking about what really makes a person Christian in the eyes of God. That was NOT what we were discussing, and it had no relevance on the conversation between Incarnated and myself.

That may be what YOU believe, but it is not accurate.
Just because someone surnames themselves a Christian does NOT mean they are truly a real Christian.

Actually, it is as accurate as it gets. It is the dictionary's definition of it. Period.

For example: (and I do not like to do this...)

1. Jehovah Witnesses call themselves Christian, but they in the same breath deny that Jesus Christ is Jehovah. They changed John 1:1 in such a way that they call Jesus "a god" rather than "God". The fact that they did this is evidence that they are not TRUE Christians.

2. Mormons also call themselves Christian, yet they too deny that Jesus is God Almighty. They, in fact, say Jesus is brother to satan, and that Jesus is a type of angel. In so doing this they say Jesus is not God. By denying Jesus from being God Almighty they have mistakenly and wrongly called themselves Christian. They therefore are not TRUE Christians.

There are many more examples, but there are just two of them.
I do not like to point out other denominations like that, but Christ moved me to do so because you think that anyone calling themselves a Christian is still a Christian.

Actually that is not what I said. I said those people who think they are following Christ's teachings, whether or not they are actually following the correct teaching is irrelevant. Mormons, for instance, believe that what they are reading is what Christ wants them to do, and they are his teachings. Thus, they believe they are following Christ and his teachings. Thus, they are Christian, and this is how they are CLASSIFIED TOO! Whether or not they actually are has no bearing on this conversation, so you need to get past that.

Many people say to Jesus, "LORD, LORD" or "lord, lord" and yet they deny that Jesus is God Almighty.
Instead, they make Jesus Christ out to be something and someone He is not.
By doing so they are showing that they are not a Christian at all.

Therefore, your definition of one calling oneself a Christian is not accurate.
Just because someone calls themselves a Christian does NOT make them a Christian in TRUTH.
You are either a TRUE Christian or not a Christian at all.

The antichrist will hate those who are TRUE Christians!

Oh my god, for the purposes of our conversation the anti-christ is irrelevant. Our discussion, and try to get your head around this, is simply the definition of a christian. NOT true Christians, not people who are going to heaven, not people who will be discriminated against by the Anti-Christ. But what people would fall under the broad definition of Christian. The ONLY way to figure that out is to get a definition of it. Since, Christianity is SO LARGE we cannot use any one, or multiple, churches belief(s) to define the word christian. Thus, we have to turn to the dictionary to get a blanket definition of the term. This blanket definition is what I was talking about when I said that Incarnated was Christian whether he wanted to classify himself as one or not. I was making no statement about whether or not he was Mormon, Catholic, Protestant, or a Jehovah Witness. I made no comment on whether his belief system was right under God's view. I made no statement on whether or not he was a true christian. Thus, everything you said about True Christians was irrelevant to our conversation. We were talking about A and you brought in B, an immaterial tidbit of information.