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Originally posted by southern_Guardian
I am actually real glad that we are finally towards the end of this where the supreme court will confirm the Obama as a natural born citizen. Will those over here be satisfied? No... apparent everybody who is not of the conservative base is in on this conspiracy. Just like the last 8years of lies... oh wait no the administration over the last years were those of the conservative base. My... the nation is in a great mess aint it?
Originally posted by die_another_day
Once again, I should emphasize that Obama is more American than many U.S. born citizens that I know of.
Personally, I wonder what Justice Marshall would say if he was still alive.
What's the most he could do? With this checks and balances presidents are more limited than any other president. Remember, these are judges appointed by the Bush administration.
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...
Originally posted by PowerSlave
Wasn't the Panama Canal considered a US territory until recently? So wouldnt that make Mccain US born?
Just asking
On July 28, 1904, Controller of the Treasury Robert Tracewell stated, "While the general spirit and purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the Constitution and laws of the country."
In 1953, Congress passed legislation to specify the status of Americans born in the Canal Zone--and to exclude non-Americans born there from citizenship. Title 8, Section 1403 of the United States Code grants citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone with at least one parent who is a United States citizen. This differs from the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment which grants citizenship to all born in the United States, regardless of parental nationality. (source)
Originally posted by MAINTAL
Originally posted by die_another_day
Once again, I should emphasize that Obama is more American than many U.S. born citizens that I know of.
Personally, I wonder what Justice Marshall would say if he was still alive.
Really? how is that? I know some things he has done and said that wouldn't be so typically "Americana"
What's the most he could do? With this checks and balances presidents are more limited than any other president. Remember, these are judges appointed by the Bush administration.
HUH?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I hope it is for real. At this point, I think we need to see what's happening and either reveal the nasty truth or put it behind us.
The United States Constitution requires that Presidents (and Vice Presidents) of the United States be natural-born citizens of the United States. While it is undisputed that people born in the US are qualified to hold the office of President, and that naturalized US citizens are disqualified from holding that office, it is disputed whether people born to US-citizen parents outside the United states are natural-born citizens or not.
Originally posted by BlueTriangle
As I've said in other threads, I don't know if any of the birth certificate "conspiracy" is true or not. Honestly, I consider it unlikely. However, I think there's enough of a doubt that it needs to be thoroughly checked out. I still think it's fishy that Obama won't just produce the hospital birth certificate and end this once and for all.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
What happens if its found he was born in Kenya though?
Another Election?
Clinton? Mccain?
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My original opinion on this was that there would have to be a re-election. However, I argued this very subject in another thread a few weeks ago and somebody came forward with some text that changed my mind. I think we'd be dealing with President Biden.
I do believe that this case is racially motivated
Originally posted by PowerSlave
I did in fact see your post on page 4. However the legislation you posted was passed in 1953 well after Mccains birth. And the statement made by Robert Tracewell is just that. A statement, and a vague one at that with no reference to the subject at hand.
(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
Sec. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405] A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
Originally posted by PowerSlave
Actually after searching around it seems this has not really been decided. Since there has been no official legally binding decision. It is not something that can be stated as fact for either case. Depending on the political affiliation. The laws are vague enough that they can be skewed to fit either side.
c. Naturalization is “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever” (Section 101(a)(23) INA)
Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.