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Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Iblis Smiley
He set the standard for relationships with that statement alone. Jesus does say that sex is for marriage alone and that marriage is for a man and his wife. So hit me with another one.
And pedophilia is not only about raping a 6 year old girl either. A 21 year old man that has consensual sex with a 16 year old girl will be found guilty of statutory rape and have to register as a pedophile. All homosexuality is not consensual, there are gay rapes all the time. So I still don't see the difference in the two arguements.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by jakyll
And pedophilia is not only about raping a 6 year old girl either. A 21 year old man that has consensual sex with a 16 year old girl will be found guilty of statutory rape and have to register as a pedophile. All homosexuality is not consensual, there are gay rapes all the time. So I still don't see the difference in the two arguements.
BTW until a few years ago homosexuals did have to break the law to be together. Have you forgotten the sodomy laws?
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Iblis Smiley
I can't break it down any further for you he said HE made man and woman and they should be one flesh. Good grief a child can understand that one. A man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
The argument that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality in the gospels is misleading and illogical for at least five reasons:
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Iblis Smiley
What, are ya 3 years old? Your arguement really sounds like a rediculous playground scuffle. Jesus specificly said taht marriage is for a man and a woman, he specificly said that sex is strictly for marriage, it's not rocket science.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by jakyll
And pedophilia is not only about raping a 6 year old girl either. A 21 year old man that has consensual sex with a 16 year old girl will be found guilty of statutory rape and have to register as a pedophile.
Originally posted by amazed
Wrong, christians do not stand on truth, they stand on belief.
Your belief as a religious person tells you that homosexuality is wrong.
My belief as a spiritual person tells me I have no right to make that judgment, that would be gods right not mine.
As a spiritual (not religious) person I will judge people on how they treat others within this world and use that to decide if I want that person to have a place within my life.
All you are being asked to "accept" is the right another person has to make choices for their own life. Just as you have the right to make choices for your life.
Now mah and pah ain't that just so darned tutin easy?
By SaintlyMic
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OLD TESTAMENT
Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the MEN of the city, even the MEN of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, ALL THE PEOPLE from every quarter:
Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men (the angels) which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may KNOW them.
Gen 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, DO not so WICKEDLY.
Lev 18:22 Thou (MEN) shalt not lie with MANKIND, as with womankind: IT IS AN ABOMINATION.
Lev 18:27 (For all these ABOMINATIONS have the MEN of the land done, which were before you, and the land is DEFILED)
Lev 18:29 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL COMMIT ANY OF THESE ABOMINATIONS, even the souls that COMMIT THEM shall be cut off from among their people.
Lev 18:30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, THAT YE COMMIT NOT ANY ONE OF THESE ABOMINABLE CUSTOMS, which were COMMITTED before you, and that ye DEFILE NOT YOURSELVES therein: I am the LORD your God.
NEW TESTAMENT
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the LUSTS of THEIR OWN HEARTS, to DISHONOUR THEIR OWN BODIES between themselves:
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their WOMEN did change the NATURAL USE into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the MEN, leaving the natural use of the woman, BURNED IN THEIR LUST ONE TOWARD ANOTHER; MEN WITH MEN working that which is UNSEEMLY, and receiving in themselves that RECOMPENCE OF THEIR ERROR which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things WHICH ARE NOT CONVENIENT;
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM.
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They ACCUSE us of not loving them because we will not accept homosexual behavior as right.
So, they try to bait people like me to try to argue with them because they think they can convince us that it is right for the homosexual to practice homosexuality.
Please take notice that in Genesis when the sodomites wanted to "KNOW" the angels of the Lord that Lot told them that they were DOING that which was WICKED.
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by SaintlyMic
They ACCUSE us of not loving them because we will not accept homosexual behavior as right.
So, they try to bait people like me to try to argue with them because they think they can convince us that it is right for the homosexual to practice homosexuality.
Everyone has the right and the liberty to practise homosexuality, that liberty is part of what makes our society better than fascist Nazi Germany.
You can call homosexuality wrong all you like (that is your right to your opinion) however, it's a different story when you try to infringe on the liberties and rights of other people.
Please take notice that in Genesis when the sodomites wanted to "KNOW" the angels of the Lord that Lot told them that they were DOING that which was WICKED.
The people wanted to rape the angels. A non-consensual act. Homosexuality can be consensual, so this scripture doesn't mean anything.
Notice also that sodom was NOT destroyed just because its inhabitants were rapists, but because they were practicing homosexuality.
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by SaintlyMic
I neglect to comment on the other scripture because I'm not biblical scholar. I have only read a little of the book, but even I know that with the sodomites the sin was desire to rape.
I'm gunna let people like jakyll to take you on on the other bits of scripture.
However, it doesn't much matter what the bible says, because no matter what you perceive to be wrong, we need our liberties, and things like prop 8 liberty does not make.
You don't have to defend homosexuality, like it or accept it. You do however have to respect peoples rights.