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I am not defending them whatsoever but I am curious if you are saying that this action is on par with what happend on 9/11 or Oklahoma City. Just curious if this is all even to you.
Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Then why are you not curious. We have churches that have been burned and pastors mudered and it turns out that they molested kids. Sometimes they molested kids, covered it up, helped it happen again, and so on. We have Westboro that tramples soldiers graves even if they are straight. Sorry but I do not just assume that any "church" is automatically good in nature. Statistically speaking, the Catholic church is the largest, longest running, and most successful pedophile ring in history. You will have to excuse me if I might just think that both sides of this argument are wrong and that it is at least worth looking into.
But do not let my interest in the facts get in the way of your blind anger and bigotry. Please go on reading one side of the story and feeling empowered enough to espouse your well formed opinions about it. I am almost envious that you do not need all the facts to be so arrogantly opinionated.
Originally posted by round_eyed_dog
I am an unabashed Catholic and have been utterly appalled at what I've seen here lately. The hate coming from the so called Christians on this board is absurd.
I find it very hard to come to terms with this as my parish just finished a remembrance ceremony for two elderly gentleman who were brutally murdered in their own home.
I've spoken to friends of the victims who have painted a pretty despicable picture, with threats, cut phone lines and hate speech posted on the couple's home. It seems as though this was completely ignored by the local police who shrugged off the couple's complaints. Link
So pardon me if I have little outrage to spare for some mild rudeness hurled at this Pentecostal church.
The op's ranting and hatchet waving have completely frustrated me yet again. God help us all, we need to take some long hard looks at ourselves before readying our stones for throwing.
Love and hope to all.
Originally posted by Lightmare
What other "facts" are there? I see none. Do you have some kind of evidence that the church in question has done anything other than hold the traditional view that most Christian churches hold in regards to homosexuality? If so then spit it out. If not, then stop trying to make accusations that you have ZERO evidence for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"TheMount Hope Church is a deplorable, anti-queer mega-church in Lansing, Michigan. The church works to institutionalize transphobia and homophobia through several repulsive projects including organized “ex-gay” conferences and so-called “hell houses”, which depict queers, trannies and womyn [sic] who seek abortions as the horrors. Mt. Hope is complicit in the repression of queers in Michigan and beyond."
"The leadership of Mount Hope Church does not attempt to identify the church as antihomosexual, anti-choice, or right wing. The church does take the Bible at face value and believes what the Bible says to be the truth. According to the Bible, Mount Hope Church believes homosexuality to be a sin, just as fornication, stealing, drunkenness, and lying are sins. No sin greater than the next. Mount Hope Church strives to follow Jesus’ example of loving the sinner but not the sin while helping people change their lives for God’s glory and their improved quality of life. Mount Hope Church also recognizes that to each person God grants freewill."
Then pulling the fire alarm to induce panic and fear - thus endangering lives.
2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, hateful and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.Terms And Conditions
Bash Back! Olympia Trashes Mormon Church
November 17, 2008, 3:14 am
Filed under: Uncategorized
This Comminque is reposted from Seattle Indymedia:
Bash Back! Olympia Trashes Mormon Church
Last night, under the veil of fog, we visited the Church of Latter Day Saints. We left their locks glued with anarchist messages scrawled in spray paint over their boring veneer.
We as anarchists are opposed to marriage but we see that this blatantly anti-gay act as a threat to all us gay, lesbian, transgendered and queer folk. The Proposition 8 campaign was used as a medium to instill homophobic fear into the population of California so as to squash queer culture, it is dangerous to let these actions go unchecked and not confronted.