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Martin himself is known for his history of frivolous lawsuits and anti-Semitic remarks. He was thrust into prominence earlier this month by an appearance on the Fox News program of Sean Hannity
Martin himself insists that "I've gotten a lot of flack for this latest rumor, simply because people want to believe he's a Muslim."
Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by maybereal11
Sorry, even the Anti-Berg Site has removed the alleged Virginia Case from it's proofs. It is unsubstantiated, no record of that being a real case can be found
Originally posted by interestedalways
What he produced isn't good enough.
There is much more to it. Other factors involved.
Do some research yourselves, obviously you haven't.
Originally posted by DOHC
Obama may be a U.S. citizen because his mother was a citizen (jus sanguinis), which is true, but for the presidency, the constitution specifies not just nationality, but a "natural born citizen" so my understanding is that jus sanguinis does not apply to that specific requirement, only jus soli. One has to be born in the United States to be president, and technically, Obama wasn't.
Prior to 1986, someone born abroad was a U.S. citizen only if both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth. Since Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen (he was Kenyan), he actually cannot claim citizenship by jus sanguinis, only by jus soli with Hawaii considered a state. Again, I still don't think this will have any actual effect on his eligibility, since the U.S. considers Hawaii a state, but in fact if you follow the legal argument that Hawaii is an occupied country and the U.S. has never legally acquired Hawaii, the logical consequence is that Obama is not a natural-born citizen by either place or parentage, and is not actually eligible for the presidency.
Research the overthrow of Hawaii and you might be able to understand this a little bit better.
Justia> Law> US Law> US Code> TITLE 8 — ALIENS AND NATIONALITY> CHAPTER 12 — IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY> SUBCHAPTER III — NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION>
PART I — NATIONALITY AT BIRTH AND COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION>
§ 1409. — Children born out of wedlock.
(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
Originally posted by Jenna
But, as I have pointed out before, his birth certificate is not the only issue in the lawsuits so assuming that they did tell the truth and he was in fact born in Hawaii the rest of the issues surrounding his natural-born status remain.
It is my understanding, and someone correct me please if I'm wrong, that it is possible to lose your natural-born status yet regain citizenship. (i.e. becoming a citizen of another country, then regaining citizenship of the first)
Originally posted by arizonascott
reply to post by Irish M1ck
NO, I want a professional note examiner to hold it, smell it, tear off a piece and acid test the type of peper, look at the age of ink, look at the raised seals and most of all I want them to verify this document - I dop not want it verified from his pals in the media, or the Obama favoring websites or his personal website!
I want an independent - non-biast investigator who is a proven document specialist to compare his birth certificate with a current resident of Hawaii's a birth certificate from the same exact time period!
Same ink, same paper, same raised seal, same everything!
Then we will all be able to let him do his job, and its a big one just look around!
Bankrupt banks, millions of forclosures, millions losing their jobs, wars, corrupt government, unloyal foreign lobbyists!
He has a lot of work to do - lets make sure he is the best "American" for the job
That will pretty much do it
[edit on 18-11-2008 by arizonascott]
Originally posted by Kailassa
Old technique ...
... Ask for something you know you are never going to get, in order to have an ongoing complaint forever.
Originally posted by kozmo
Hmmmmmm... Strangely enough, sounds like the technique of a Democrat I would just settle for him releasing his vault long version birth certificate. How hard is that?
Originally posted by kozmo
There are serious questions regarding his Selective Service Registration. There are still questions lingering about his citizenship.
Given the fact that no one can access any of his college papers, his transcripts, has gone by different names, lived abroad and the fact that his own grandmother and the Ambassador have BOTH stated that he was born in Kenya (despite weak attempts to attribute it to Obama's father - PUH-leeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!:@@ AND that he simply cannot produce the damned birth certificate makes it all suspect.
Translator: She says she is cover your prayers for he (unintelligable) her son.
Ron McCrae: Amen, I am so thankful. Could I ask her about his, uh, his actual birthplace? I would like to see his actual birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she present when he was, was she present when he was born in Kenya?
Translator to Sarah Obama: Alikuma zalima Obama (unintelligable) Kweli Shuhubia: He is asking her, he wants to know something was ah she present when he was born?
Translator: Yes. She says "Yes she was! She present when Obama was born."
Ron McCrae: Okay.
Like, ok we get it. You think Obama is a liar. That he never went to Harvard or Colombia. That he never had children. Those aren't his kids. That he isn't a human, he's a reptile. That Obama is really a Muslim and he just pretends to be American his true allegiance is with the Super Power Kenya.