When did ATS become the new Neo-Con hangout?

Originally posted by dooper
Well, it sure is a change of pace from all the things that Bush is responsible for:

Global Warming
Twin Towers
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fallout
Increased size in alien anal probes
Price of oil
Location of oil
Ozone loss
Insufficient chocolate marble at Ben & Jerry's
Extinction of Dinosaurs
Deterioration of Pyramids at Gaza
Russian suspicion of everyone, everything.
Muslim shepard boys preferring goats after dark
Lack of bombings here in US

Naw, it's Obama's turn. Let's give him the same, identical "respect" that Bush got.

These things are of course not Bush's fault - but what action has he taken on them?

* Price of oil - well, it's coming down now because the US economy is tip-toe on a recession, but the invasion and instability of the Middle East no doubt had some effect on the oil price

* Global warming - the White House's own environment people, who were all ex-oil company execs, evidently edited scientific papers before their public release

* "Muslim shepherd boys preferring goats after dark" (I corrected the spelling for you)

Well, that summarizes your intelligence in one fell swoop.

Originally posted by retzius
Hello there.

I have noticed a strange change in ATS over the last few weeks..

When did ATS become the new Neo-Con hangout?

It seems like every other thread is one of the following:

1. Obama the antichrist
2. Obama the terrorist
3. Obama dictatorship
4. Extremely long post of bible passages about why we need to bow down to Jesus
5. Posts about "you cant pry my guns from my cold dead hands"
6. Posts about Obama the Zionist

etc. etc. etc.

I like this site. Some good ideas, free thinkers, and off the wall ideas.

But this is strange. Its like every bible thumpin, gun totin republican migrated here.

Well, welcome to ATS i guess

If I see another post from a religious nut with pages upon pages of random bible quotes than quite ironically dont mean anything out of context and in truth demonstrate nothing but a lack of free thinking then Im gonna puke

And no, I dont want to take your guns.

Maybe Obama was right, maybe Americans due turn to guns and religion when they are insecure..

And I didnt even vote for the guy..

Heres hoping we get some fun and free thinking back in ATS

Ret

To be fair, these pillocks would freak out of Mr Rogers became president!

I have seen the people of this board blame their neighbourhood blackout on aliens and the NWO.

You name it, it is part of a conspiracy and only the PEOPLE can do something about it. Problem is, these people can't do much more than sit on the internet whining and becoming hysterical about nothing.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by triplesod]

Originally posted by mattguy404
* "Muslim shepherd boys preferring goats after dark" (I corrected the spelling for you)

Well, that summarizes your intelligence in one fell swoop.

Dude, I have a hunch, and it's just a hunch, that he was joking with that last statement.

Quickly, head down to the 7-11. I think a Sense of Humor is 30% off this week.

Hello Everyone.

Sorry I was gone from the thread from so long.. hard day of work

I just wanted to expand upon my original post and provide a bit of clarification

Over the coarse of this thread Ive been called a Nazi, a Liberal Nut, a Fascist, and yes, even hinted at as the Anti-Christ..

I kind of like that one... lol

Anyway, my original point was not that there should be any censorship of ideas or lack of post on any subject.

The point I was trying to make is that we dont need 84 threads on Obama the Anti-Christ.

The moderators of this site do a great job, they lock hoax threads and repeats and keep us all on topic. But I have seen endless streams of the same ideas over and over and over..

We get it.. some of you are unhappy with Obama.. he is the demon spawn.. I get it

I didnt vote for him either.. boo hoo my guy lost

Before I registered I used to just visit the site alot. I loved the far out there ideas and diversity of opinions. There was all sorts of information sharing and, yes, a sense of FUN!

But the vitriol I see on here now is alarming. Look, I think its a bit strange with all these threads about Obama getting assassinated and people talking about how to join a militia and how they are buying guns etc....

That is not healthy thought and it is not healthy for this site.

I didnt see a Reptilian from Planet X today but I wish I had so we had a new idea to toss about.

thanks guys, I hope you all have a good night

Ret

Originally posted by retzius
Over the coarse of this thread Ive been called a Nazi, a Liberal Nut, a Fascist, and yes, even hinted at as the Anti-Christ..

I kind of like that one... lol

Well, if you're going to be accused of something, why not go straight to the top??

Originally posted by Little One
I agree - it has gotten gloomy here lately. I love ATS though - I really do. Hoping that after the election settles down it gets back to the good stuff!

This happened after the 2004 election too when Bush got re-elected. I know.

We can't have a double standard here where it's ok only to criticize the republicans, but not the democrats if they are doing something that is OBVIOUSLY wrong. This is NOT a democratic party forum, it's not a republican party forum, this is a conspiracy forum, all politicians are fair game and have been fair game for a while now. We can't all of a sudden change just because the "messiah" got elected, sorry, it doesn't work that way.

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Difference:

Bush had already taken office and instituted policy. There was actually something to critique.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
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Difference:

Bush had already taken office and instituted policy. There was actually something to critique.

I'm sorry, but when presented with what policies Obama plans to put into place once he becomes president, one can't help but criticize. It doesn't matter whether he's in office or not. The point is to get the word out and get the truth out NOW! not when it's too late.

You think people didn't criticize Bush in 2000 BEFORE he took oath? Please! I remember seeing videos already in the news of activists saying that he was the anti-christ etc. etc. Where were people like you to tell them "wait until he takes office"? But now you're telling me Obama is not fair game? No, sorry, no double standards. Every politician is fair game at any time. Remember what site you're visiting, ATS, from what I've gathered, questions ALL politicians equally regardless and that's one of the things I love about this site (at least those that don't get caught up in the stupid hype) and I hope it continues down that road.

Originally posted by retzius
....It seems like every other thread is one of the following:

1. Obama the antichrist
2. Obama the terrorist
3. Obama dictatorship
4. Extremely long post of bible passages about why we need to bow down to Jesus
5. Posts about "you cant pry my guns from my cold dead hands"
6. Posts about Obama the Zionist

I like this site. Some good ideas, free thinkers, and off the wall ideas.

But this is strange. Its like every bible thumpin, gun totin republican migrated here.

....If I see another post from a religious nut.... Im gonna puke

Let me lay out some arguments for you, instead if simply replying: "NO, you are wrong".

I will start with the specifics of the points you made:

1. In so far as Obama being the "Antichrist", the reason some might believe this is all due to the way in which people have seemingly begun to worship the guy. You see posters of him everywhere, everyone wearing T-shirts of the Senator, murals, statues, fashion, and other art work being modeled in his like, and dedicated to him, and so forth. You also have a cult like following in regards to Obama, as well as some individuals actually coming forth with literal declarations as to his likeness towards "Jesus", "Moses", and a "God Sent Messiah". This is disturbing, and if you have ever followed Religion, whether it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc., all the passages in regards to the "Antichrist" describe such characteristics in regards to how He/She will initially be received. I make NO claims as to whether or not he is in fact an/the "Antichrist", but I at least feel that my points will help you understand the reasoning behind such conclusions.

2. The reason that many believe Obama is a "Terrorist", is due to the fact that he happens to acquaint himself with a numerous amount of such individuals. We all know about William Ayers, and the Weather Underground, but we also have Obama's "Secret" Talks with Hamas, their support of him, and his willingness to talk openly with such groups. Now obviously this does not directly make Obama a "Terrorist", but when you piece together the relationships, the controversial policy plans, and his extreme naivety, you begin to discover a character of questionable loyalty and intent.

3. Now this aspect is entirely obvious, and in an extremely blatant fashion. Obama has consistently proven to America that he has a condescending attitude (at least at times), as well as his obvious disdain for many of our Constitutionally guaranteed Liberties. If these are not precursors towards possible Dictatorial Actions, then what is? Look at his future plans to squash our First Amendment through the "Fairness Doctrine", or his plans to do the same with the Second Amendment through the banning of Semi-Automatic Rifles, and quite possibly even Handguns. He has a proven record of aiming towards such policies, so no theoretical debate upon such remains necessary. We also have him, and the other leading Democrats, attempting to take away Citizens' 401k's, and IRA's, along with the aspect that they will most likely never re-privatize the Banks, and will continue to expand Governmental takeovers of other Private entities.

4. How do Bible Passages, in regards to worshipping Jesus, have anything whatsoever to do with your other "Points"?

5. In relation to the aforementioned in Point Number Three, Obama has a record of wanting to squash the Second Amendment. He attempted to ban all Semi-Automatic Firearms, Nearly all Hunting Ammunition, and Shotguns. That basically leaves us with Single-Shot Breech Loaders, Muskets, and Revolvers. He also sponsored legislation to make it a prosecutable crime, if you use a firearm in your Home for Self-Defense. Obama is also going to push forward with making the Assault Weapons Ban a permanent fixture of American Life, where as before it had to be renewed every 10 years. He also attempted to declare the Second Amendment a Militia Right, not an Individual one. It was not until the SCOTUS ruled otherwise, that he in fact "changed" his position in regards to such.

6. As for "Obama the Zionist", this is obviously an accusation brought about due to Obama's appointment of Rahm Emanuel as his COS. Emanuel is the son of Israeli Immigrants, so he is actually the source and target of these allegations. I do believe that this term "Zionist" is tossed around far too often however.


As for your description of this site, I completely agree with you on that account. You have an ENTIRE range of Topics, Discussions, and Members on this Site, and of course that is what makes it so unique.


As for your taking issue with "Religious Nuts", just what exactly do you consider to be an aspect of such individuals? What exactly defines someone as a "Religious Nut" in your mind?

As for "Gun Toting", and "Bible Thumping" Republicans, again, what in your mind construes this label?

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Dude, man, I'm Australian, dude, man...

We don't have a 7-11s in my town. We have equivalents, but no sale on humor.

And Bush is still and always will be an idiot.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by mattguy404]

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As long as those posts generate traffic, I don't think something will change. Sometimes it's sad when you think about it, but as you said, technically it's not your or anyone elses forum besides that of a corporation seeking to gain more volume (aka traffic, users, "user-generated content"-ecosystem", aka money).

Money doesn't only rule the world, but also the internet.

Originally posted by SiONiX
As long as those posts generate traffic, I don't think something will change. Sometimes it's sad when you think about it, but as you said, technically it's not your or anyone elses forum besides that of a corporation seeking to gain more volume (aka traffic, users, "user-generated content"-ecosystem", aka money).

Money doesn't only rule the world, but also the internet.

Sionix , avatar btw..very clean.

I am in total agreement with this statement, however there are those of us who have seen and been in the face of a much different ATS.

A body of people, sharing their strengths and seeking a greater Truth.

When Truth takes second place to traffic, this forum falls into the realm of the average, and perhaps its time for me to move on. Its getting harder and harder to find good threads that are well thought out where people aren't verbally slamming each other.

While traffic does assist ATS rewarding its owners, in some ways its killing the very body that made it.

Peace


[edit on 13-11-2008 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
While traffic does assist ATS rewarding its owners, in some ways its killing the very body that made it.

That's right. I respect the work of the owners, and also think they should be rewarded for their achievements. It's a common theme at so many community-driven sites, that some users think they have the right to "revolt" ("we the users" ). The users must understand that the webmasters are literally doing their job, and the internet is a free market.

But this is - as you already pointed out, and I'm in even more agreement with you there - a fundamental conflict in the interest of both "parties". Especially in a "user-generated content-ecosystem", where the content is about conspiracies. About finding the truth, as you wrote.

I wouldn't blame it on the "Neo-Cons". Sure, at the moment they are all over the forums, and the threads about the same topic again and again is really annoying. But as others pointed out, in other times, it's another group.

So i would blame it on sensiationalizm. The more sensational the discussed topic is, the more traffic it gains. The best example would be the "Galactic Federation of Light", which promised to pit stop on earth on 14/08/08. The amount of posts about this theme was HUGE, I don't think there's a bigger thread here. But it wasn't only NOT the truth, it made the truth even harder to find. A text book sample to ridicule the whole Alien/UFO community.

That's what I meant by saying "fundamental controversy". It is not in the interest of the community, it even damages it as a whole. But for the owners of the board, or some short-lived blogs, it was great. I rarely saw a blog with as many comments per post, as the 10-14-08 blog thingy, and yet with so little truth. The same applies for ATS, if sensationalism won't be kept in check.

however there are those of us who have seen and been in the face of a much different ATS.

Devolution. I hope the cat doesn't bite itself in the tail, and the owners find a way, to not let this site devolve in some kind of internet-tabloid for entertainment purposes only, where the truth is less word than traffic-gaining fairy-tales.

If that would be the case, the motto "Denying Ignorance" has failed.

reply to post by Blaine91555


No joke, why would that post be allowed to stay this long??

edit: yay, it's been deleted...thanks



[edit on 13-11-2008 by 27jd]

I've lurked ATS for years before joining, and for years I read nothing but countless, endless, posts about how horrible George Bush was and threads blaming him for everything from World War I to the Anti-Christ who would bring forth the apocalypse. Thread after thread of frothing at the mouth, seething anger, visceral rage, and unmitigated hatred against the man and the "Neocons". At times it was unclear whether I was reading the DailyKos or AboveTopSecret. Many times the absolute hatred for George Bush was so strong it put other Democrat Party sites to shape.

Now the very same people who engaged in such hysteria are absolutely enraged that anyone would dare question Barack Obama or his motives.

I have never seen so many hypocrites in one thread in all of ATS. Its perfectly OK - and even admirable - to project absolute hatred upon someone who has politics you don't agree with. But it is a cardinal sin to dare question someone who has politics you like. ATS is not a Neocon hangout, but it is fast becoming a hangout for hypocrites.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]

After finding ATS I have fallen in love with it. However, the vast array of conversations have been compelling to think about and contribute to.

Given the recent events of the election- it doesn't suprise me that so many threads are give to the named subject. I can add the title of a book that brings to mind the charator reminding me of the prez-elect... The novel The Illuminati.

I am sure in the next 4 years, when my ATS points are somewhere in the millions... Yet again the prez-elect will be the major topic of discussion. THings will be no differant.

Originally posted by retzius
Hello there.

I have noticed a strange change in ATS over the last few weeks..

When did ATS become the new Neo-Con hangout?

Make sure you direct your words to those who deserve it. A NEO-CON does not equate to any conservative. Jim Marrs says it best who the neo-cons are. They are the old National Socialist Party who knew better than to keep their old name. The Old name was the National Socialists who went by Nationalsozialistische, for which the acronym is NAZI.

A lot of the conservatives who had put their heads in the sand are now waking up to what is really going on. They are absolutely freaked out by current events. It has nothing to do with the color pf skin. It has everything to do with people trying to confiscate 401k's and senators and congressmen voting for bailouts that their constituents strongly oppose. They are also concerned by the history of certain individuals being opposed to the 2nd amendment because they think it no longer applies.

They all thought they had a voice in the process only to find that their voice was nowhere to be found. It is one thing when it happens to someone else, but another when it happens to you.

There is an old saying:

I was silent when they came for my neighbors across the street. I was silent when they came for my next door neighbors. When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.

That is what's happening to what is left of the conservatives. One thing about the hard core conservatives is that they do not only complain, but they arm themselves and prepare for war. I used to be one of them. I no longer agree with that mentality but I do understand it.

I hope that you will see what is really going on and also see that it didn't matter who won the election, because it was rigged from the beginning. The game has changed and the powers that be know that time is running out. They must act before too many people wake up. If they take too long, they will have torches and pitchforks carried by an upset populace.


You will see more and more as more of them as the SHTF.

This is just what I am seeing. BTW, ask what it happening in Santa Fe where the streets are filling up with street vendors. Time are getting tougher.

When will it affect you?

This is the norm on all conspiracy forums. Infiltration.

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Are you talking about the one by Larry Burkett?

Originally posted by AHostileMe
Here's the deal though. Some of us are so anti-politics, that we are going to think Obama is just part 44 of a (quantity x) installment of puppets that are put in place to keep us in submission.
[edit on 11-11-2008 by AHostileMe]

I doubt that is true. I don't know too much about history, but I know George Washington was a very wealthy real-estate broker. I doubt he had many people more powerful than him to be bossing him around. I'm not sure at what point the power-circles that be started pulling the strings from behind the curtains instead of front and center.

In fact, if you look at neocon actions and policy, you might say they were neocons. What did our founding fathers do? Force their "civilization" on the natives and steal their resources. What do neocons do now? Force their "democracy" on both the natives and everyone else, and steal their resources.

There are something like five ATS members who are neocons. The rest of us simply believe that Obama is another career criminal, and we consider it a duty to journal all of his wrongs. And like Bush they won't really be his wrongs. There is no way Obama could have time to solve problems and impliment ideas when he has to spend so much time mastering how to sucker gullible people with NLP/conversational hypnotic techniques.

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