Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by Simplynoone
Well all that is highly debatable, but it is irrelevant.
My point was addressing the fact that if God influenced the construction of the bible, then man has misrepresented him (it would be impossible not to)
therefore it was not God (considered good and just) who endorsed this awful evil and unjust things in the passages mentioned in the op.
How you say "the devil is in the details?"
How is it irrelevant ? Yes man does misrepresent God ..which is why we have such a mess in our world today ..
War and murder and mayhem started after the garden ....which was from disobediance ...Cain killed Abel ..(which was from jelousy).that was the first
violence that happened ..God did not tell Cain to kill Abel did he ? And it escalated from there didnt it >?
And yes there is a devil and a bunch of fallen angels and ungodly men (who allow the demonic spirits to control them) in the details ....I mean look
around you and tell me what you see .... .
And then tell me that there is not still some very GOOD DECENT careing people around .(who are the minority right now for sure) ..there are .(These
are those who GOD chose for himself he dwells within them through CHRIST JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT he sent to live within us until he comes) so he
sees them through because THEY LET HIM (they allow Christ within so that they will become pure in heart ...which is what most of mankind is not
..especially not anymore )....how will they be preserved if God does not intervene ? They wont ..they would eventually be corrupted AGAIN would they
Which is why the bible says this ..
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
You know that I detest what alot of supposed christians do in his name Wolf ...they are not doing what the bible tells them to do ...they are not
listening to that bible at all or they would not be doing what they do in his name ..
The bible in the NT has no words that tells man to go and kill thy neighbor ..
We are supposed to be a more modern society than what was back then .
That is what I follow ..what Christ asked us to do ...because the Father GOD handed it all to CHRIST JESUS he is the HEIR to the kingdom for the
FUTURE KINGDOM where they will learn war no more ..no more pain ..no more ungodly men posssesed by satan and no more satan to frustrait Gods
plans for the future of mankind ..
Slaves came out of Egypt and went through lands that were inhabited like (Wild Indian types NOMADS) (Do some research on these tribes and I bet you
will see it then) ........they were heading to a land that GOD set apart just for them ..to call their own land ....those NOMADS were not peace
loving law abiding citizens now were they ? ...and they gave the Israelites nothing but trouble as they passed through those lands .
Think about America ...it is really close to what happened then .
We came here out of slavery from the Crown (Britian) we came to a land where there was land for all to live on ...as they stepped off the boats and
surveyed the land ...wild Indians fought them ...and yes they had to fight back to survive ..even though there was plenty of land for all to live on
..there was no reasoning with these wild Indians ..eventually they did ..thank God ...
And if all of that had not happened ...America would not exist as it is ..And we would not be living here ..neither would we exist ...Israel wouldnt
Was it the right thing to do ? I dont know I guess that would depend on how you looked at it wouldnt it ?
I can see though that when NOMADS (and wild Indians) ...get territorial and resort to coming at ya with spears and knives etc ...when your just there
to share the land ..than I can see why we (Americans) had to fight back ...Cant you ?
If you would read the whole couple of chapters from the time they left Egypt you would see they had to pass through NOMADIC tribes that some were
peaceful (there was no killing them ) and some were not ..they would not let them pass through ..what would you do when your on your way to your
promised land over yonder on the back forty ? Your gonna do what it takes with whoever stands in your way ..In this case in the bible it was the
NOMADS who were savages (of course with the devil in the details trying to frustrait the plans of GOd through these wicked people) .......and they
refused to let them through the land ...
So tell me what would you do on the way to your new land given to you by your father if this was you and your people and you were in their shoes and
Gods shoes ?
You know some of the men were afraid to go into certain camps .....when they went to see what was in front of them ..they saw wicked giants who were
canabals ..they said to the Lord ..no we cant go ..they are mean and they will eat us .So God told them go I will be with you you will win this battle
..so go ..
Num 13:27 And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this [is] the
fruit of it.
Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people [be] strong that dwell in the land, and the cities [are] walled, [and] very great: and moreover we saw the children
of Anak there.
Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the
Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
Num 13:30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.
Num 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they [are] stronger than we.
Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have
gone to search it, [is] a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it [are] men of a great stature.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in
The Israelites faced savage peoples to get to their lands .
Similar to what Americans faced when we came here ..
(Although it was not our land in America ..back then thats what all peoples did ..there was lots of land for all ..but peoples are greedy and want the
whole enchilada) ...........and they are territorial and wont even let you pass through to get to your own land ...the land promised to you from your
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